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<blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 3423939" data-attributes="member: 32740"><p>I've been allowing players to use SOP for decades because all the soothing benefits it provides far outweigh any new additional irritations. I don't play "Gotcha!" with players who otherwise would forget the one important step at the wrong moment, or just get fed up with the tedium and skip it altogether. THAT is what sucks the fun out of the game.</p><p></p><p>Now that doesn't absolve players of participation and responsibility. When they are using SOP they WILL be subject to all the dangers it presents. If they choose to stop paying attention to my description then they WILL treat the wierd, glowing, misty thing like every other doorway, corridor section or doodad. If they don't pay attention to my announcements of the RESULTS of the standardized rolls then I have no reason to be sympathetic.</p><p></p><p>Using SOP also doesn't cause me to make any more rolls than if they performed a rote recitation of their actions, but there ARE still rolls that THEY may need to make. If they stop making those rolls then I have every right and reason to assume that those parts of the procedures are not being performed. If the player is being particularly stupid in that regard I might consider that _I_ have been handed the decision-making authority for the PC by default (and that's something I NEVER otherwise would interfere with). All of this is established with players ahead of time. The occasional reminder is all that I find necessary.</p><p></p><p>SOP is about facilitating faster, better play by reducing tedium and verbal repetition, not about putting dungeon exploration on autopilot and freeing players from active participation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Man in the Funny Hat, post: 3423939, member: 32740"] I've been allowing players to use SOP for decades because all the soothing benefits it provides far outweigh any new additional irritations. I don't play "Gotcha!" with players who otherwise would forget the one important step at the wrong moment, or just get fed up with the tedium and skip it altogether. THAT is what sucks the fun out of the game. Now that doesn't absolve players of participation and responsibility. When they are using SOP they WILL be subject to all the dangers it presents. If they choose to stop paying attention to my description then they WILL treat the wierd, glowing, misty thing like every other doorway, corridor section or doodad. If they don't pay attention to my announcements of the RESULTS of the standardized rolls then I have no reason to be sympathetic. Using SOP also doesn't cause me to make any more rolls than if they performed a rote recitation of their actions, but there ARE still rolls that THEY may need to make. If they stop making those rolls then I have every right and reason to assume that those parts of the procedures are not being performed. If the player is being particularly stupid in that regard I might consider that _I_ have been handed the decision-making authority for the PC by default (and that's something I NEVER otherwise would interfere with). All of this is established with players ahead of time. The occasional reminder is all that I find necessary. SOP is about facilitating faster, better play by reducing tedium and verbal repetition, not about putting dungeon exploration on autopilot and freeing players from active participation. [/QUOTE]
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