Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
Star Trek Discovery not getting any better I fear.
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7579173" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>Something else in this episode rubbed me the wrong way. And I think I finally figured out the other issues I have.</p><p></p><p>First, the biggest problem with season one was how it teased the questioning of Starfleet values in war and if taking hard action was necessary if it meant winning the war. Embodied by Captain Lorca. And then it took the easiest way out of that by just making him a cartoonishly evil wannabe dictator from a universe of jerks. So it never had to actual answer any of the hard questions or deal with any fallout of his morally grey actions. </p><p>Torture? Leaving a civilian to be tortured in a POW camp? Betraying an admiral? Human experimentation. Nope. All cool now. Medals and promotions for everyone!!</p><p></p><p>This season has been edging on a similar idea: what role does Section 31 play in Starfleet following a war. A decent question that also would have applied following DS9. Does the organization need to be restrained now the war is over? Should it be forced to answer for its actions during wartime? This is an interesting theme about the military industrial complex. That's kinda neat.</p><p>But, nope, Section 31 is controlled by an evil AI out to destroy all life in the galaxy. Moral quandary averted. </p><p></p><p>They did the same damn dodge... again. </p><p></p><p>And, hey, after Control is destroyed, Section 31 will be trying to find its place in this new galaxy while rebuilding and proving its need. And, wow, conveniently, there's a Section 31 show in development. So this whole season is setting up a spinoff. </p><p><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/erm.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":erm:" title="Erm :erm:" data-shortname=":erm:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which also makes me question the plotting of the red angel stuff. </p><p>If the story of the season is about Section 31 vs Starfleet and a rogue AI created by bother... why mix in time travel and visions of the future and weird signals? That just adds an unnecessary layer of complexity to the story. </p><p>Really, the Starfleet vs Section 31 storyline is strong enough on its own. Bringing in the future and extinction of every living thing just feels forced. Like the writers weren't confident enough that people would care about the stakes. </p><p>(Given the <em>Calypso </em>mini episode, I'm undecided if the Red Angel is going to be revealed to be Aldis Hodge's Craft or the AI of the <em>Discovery</em> itself. But those are my bets.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also... why wait until now to show us the Spock murder footage? Having seen that early on would have made the search for Spock and hunt for answers that much more dramatic. That should have been something we saw early on. Waiting until now feels weird. We already know it's fake by that point, so there's no drama in watching him execute people.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7579173, member: 37579"] Something else in this episode rubbed me the wrong way. And I think I finally figured out the other issues I have. First, the biggest problem with season one was how it teased the questioning of Starfleet values in war and if taking hard action was necessary if it meant winning the war. Embodied by Captain Lorca. And then it took the easiest way out of that by just making him a cartoonishly evil wannabe dictator from a universe of jerks. So it never had to actual answer any of the hard questions or deal with any fallout of his morally grey actions. Torture? Leaving a civilian to be tortured in a POW camp? Betraying an admiral? Human experimentation. Nope. All cool now. Medals and promotions for everyone!! This season has been edging on a similar idea: what role does Section 31 play in Starfleet following a war. A decent question that also would have applied following DS9. Does the organization need to be restrained now the war is over? Should it be forced to answer for its actions during wartime? This is an interesting theme about the military industrial complex. That's kinda neat. But, nope, Section 31 is controlled by an evil AI out to destroy all life in the galaxy. Moral quandary averted. They did the same damn dodge... again. And, hey, after Control is destroyed, Section 31 will be trying to find its place in this new galaxy while rebuilding and proving its need. And, wow, conveniently, there's a Section 31 show in development. So this whole season is setting up a spinoff. :erm: Which also makes me question the plotting of the red angel stuff. If the story of the season is about Section 31 vs Starfleet and a rogue AI created by bother... why mix in time travel and visions of the future and weird signals? That just adds an unnecessary layer of complexity to the story. Really, the Starfleet vs Section 31 storyline is strong enough on its own. Bringing in the future and extinction of every living thing just feels forced. Like the writers weren't confident enough that people would care about the stakes. (Given the [I]Calypso [/I]mini episode, I'm undecided if the Red Angel is going to be revealed to be Aldis Hodge's Craft or the AI of the [I]Discovery[/I] itself. But those are my bets.) Also... why wait until now to show us the Spock murder footage? Having seen that early on would have made the search for Spock and hunt for answers that much more dramatic. That should have been something we saw early on. Waiting until now feels weird. We already know it's fake by that point, so there's no drama in watching him execute people. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
Star Trek Discovery not getting any better I fear.
Top