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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 7955270" data-attributes="member: 710"><p>True. The standard gear of Star Trek officers is sometimes fantastic, but kinda uneven. Tricorders that can scan everything at any range the plot desires, phasers that can stun, kill, disintegrate and turn stones into heaters... But no personal force shields or anything. But the Jem'Hadar have genetically inbuilt cloak and seem to be bad at exploiting this most of the time!</p><p></p><p></p><p>I wouldn't be certain that this wasn't basically the Romulan Fleet. Or at least a significant portion of it. The Zhat Vash are supposed to be a secret organization, even within the Tal'Shiar they were more a rumour than a known fact, according to the two Tal'Shiar representatives at Picard's vineyard. My guess is that the Zhat Vash, as part of the Tal'Shiar, simply tells the Romulan Empire / Free State / Republic that there is a huge threat for them, and they send what they have available. They might know that it's because of Synths building some kind of doomsday device or beacon to call a doomsday device, but they might not know the Zhat Vash has been fighting such threats for the entire time. They aren't "property" of the Zhat Vash or anything - it's just that the job of an intelligence service is to inform the government of threats, and when they name an urgent one, the military will be send out to meet it.</p><p></p><p>But of course, this is also 14 years after the Romulan Supernova. So the ship we see now might not represent what they had back then. 2375, the Dominion War ends, the most costly war in the recent history of the Alpha (and Beta) Quadrant. 2379, we have the events of Nemesis that throws the Romulan Empire in disarray as its political leadership is murdered by Shinzon, who also dies. The Supernova is 2387, 12 years after the Dominion War and 9 years after a chaotic political situation. It's quite possible that the Star Empire wasn't really in a good shape for quite a while.</p><p></p><p>The other thing to consider about the Romulans is - they have the presumably best cloaking tech in the quadrant. Yet, they constantly tip-toe around the Klingons and the Federation and constantly try to manipulate events. Even when the Klingons are still hostile to the Federation, they carefully probe their options. In at least two alternate timelines (<em>Yesterday's Enterprise </em>and the <em>All Good Things </em>Future), the Romulans get eventually steamrolled by the Klingons (in case of Y<em>esterday's Enterprise </em>even though they started the war by attacking the Klingon colony, so they clearly overestimated their own abilities...).</p><p>Chances are, their forces cannot compete with either of the two. They do not have a numerical advantage, they could launch strikes that hit hard, but they can't hold any territory against their enemy numbers. They are strong enough that anyone attacking them must be willing to sacrifice a lot, but not strong enough to win against a determined foe.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, one of the logistical challenges of ane evacuation is that you don't just need ships. You need a place for people to live. That means shelter, food, water, sewage, education, medical supplies. And I suspect that a Warbird is not equipped to deliver or produce that in significant amounts.</p><p>Cloaks are great for subterfuge and stealth attacks, but not so great if you need raw numbers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 7955270, member: 710"] True. The standard gear of Star Trek officers is sometimes fantastic, but kinda uneven. Tricorders that can scan everything at any range the plot desires, phasers that can stun, kill, disintegrate and turn stones into heaters... But no personal force shields or anything. But the Jem'Hadar have genetically inbuilt cloak and seem to be bad at exploiting this most of the time! I wouldn't be certain that this wasn't basically the Romulan Fleet. Or at least a significant portion of it. The Zhat Vash are supposed to be a secret organization, even within the Tal'Shiar they were more a rumour than a known fact, according to the two Tal'Shiar representatives at Picard's vineyard. My guess is that the Zhat Vash, as part of the Tal'Shiar, simply tells the Romulan Empire / Free State / Republic that there is a huge threat for them, and they send what they have available. They might know that it's because of Synths building some kind of doomsday device or beacon to call a doomsday device, but they might not know the Zhat Vash has been fighting such threats for the entire time. They aren't "property" of the Zhat Vash or anything - it's just that the job of an intelligence service is to inform the government of threats, and when they name an urgent one, the military will be send out to meet it. But of course, this is also 14 years after the Romulan Supernova. So the ship we see now might not represent what they had back then. 2375, the Dominion War ends, the most costly war in the recent history of the Alpha (and Beta) Quadrant. 2379, we have the events of Nemesis that throws the Romulan Empire in disarray as its political leadership is murdered by Shinzon, who also dies. The Supernova is 2387, 12 years after the Dominion War and 9 years after a chaotic political situation. It's quite possible that the Star Empire wasn't really in a good shape for quite a while. The other thing to consider about the Romulans is - they have the presumably best cloaking tech in the quadrant. Yet, they constantly tip-toe around the Klingons and the Federation and constantly try to manipulate events. Even when the Klingons are still hostile to the Federation, they carefully probe their options. In at least two alternate timelines ([I]Yesterday's Enterprise [/I]and the [I]All Good Things [/I]Future), the Romulans get eventually steamrolled by the Klingons (in case of Y[I]esterday's Enterprise [/I]even though they started the war by attacking the Klingon colony, so they clearly overestimated their own abilities...). Chances are, their forces cannot compete with either of the two. They do not have a numerical advantage, they could launch strikes that hit hard, but they can't hold any territory against their enemy numbers. They are strong enough that anyone attacking them must be willing to sacrifice a lot, but not strong enough to win against a determined foe. Anyway, one of the logistical challenges of ane evacuation is that you don't just need ships. You need a place for people to live. That means shelter, food, water, sewage, education, medical supplies. And I suspect that a Warbird is not equipped to deliver or produce that in significant amounts. Cloaks are great for subterfuge and stealth attacks, but not so great if you need raw numbers. [/QUOTE]
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