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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 6088375" data-attributes="member: 92305"><p>Were you able to catch my Edit comments above before you posted this? I think that's a lot of onscreen evidence.</p><p></p><p>And, I will say this: The way it is presented in the story, this could be a power--even a Dark Side power, like the choke Vader uses--that Luke has just learned. Both of these thoughts would quite fit into the overall story of Dark Empire.</p><p></p><p>Luke had just spent several days on Corscant, and he is first seen exiting the ruins of Palptine's palace. The first visage of him is an outline of Darth Vader, which we see is really a caped Luke, his hair casting shadows in such a way to reflect the shape of the Dark Lord's helmet, that steps into the light. That's FANTASTIC foreshadowing, by the way, for the story the Dark Empire tells.</p><p></p><p>What Luke did or learned or experienced while he was nudging around the Emperor's palace, we are not told...but, he could easily have learned something...new....and dark.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think that's necessary. Must we have already seen everything that is possible with The Force?</p><p></p><p>What if, with the new film, we are shown a new Force power, never seen before....? </p><p></p><p>Before Empire came out, did you have a problem with Luke and Vader doing some of the things that they did? Certainly, it hadn't been established in A New Hope.</p><p></p><p>Also, remember that certain powers seem to be unique to some individuals (I'd believe that they're not unique, but not available to all Jedi/Sith). For example, Vader is the only character to use the choke. Palpatine is the only character to use the energy lighting. </p><p></p><p>Then Kenobi and Yoda are the only two we've seen "disappear" and merge into the Force. Qui-gon certainly didn't do that. Nor Mace Winu. Nor Darth Maul, Vader, or Palpatine.</p><p></p><p>I don't find it hard to believe at all that there are lots of uses of the Force that we haven't seen.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>EDIT: Also remember that the Force is the strongest within the Skywalkers. Anakin and Luke are supposed to be two of the most powerful Jedi that have ever existed.</p><p></p><p>Maybe the command that others have over the Force will not make it possible to crush an AT-AT's head, but for Luke Skywalker? Now, a Master Jedi Knight, 8 years after he used the Force to destroy the Death Star?</p><p></p><p>Totally possible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>2nd EDIT: I'll even go this far, too. Maybe it's not possible, even for the great Luke Skywalker, to crush an AT-AT's head under normal conditions. But, remember, in my description above, the AT-AT fired it's blasters at the Master Jedi, and the bolts were reflected back at the vehicles head, doing severe damage.</p><p></p><p>On a brand new, undamaged AT-AT, it may not be possible. But...what if Master Jedi Luke Skywalker saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. The command module hull was weakened by the reflected blast. Luke simply used the same power we saw in The Empire Strikes Back when Vader would rip pieces of machinery out of the walls and send it flying.</p><p></p><p>In simple terms, maybe he saw a stress point and....used the Force to push on it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 6088375, member: 92305"] Were you able to catch my Edit comments above before you posted this? I think that's a lot of onscreen evidence. And, I will say this: The way it is presented in the story, this could be a power--even a Dark Side power, like the choke Vader uses--that Luke has just learned. Both of these thoughts would quite fit into the overall story of Dark Empire. Luke had just spent several days on Corscant, and he is first seen exiting the ruins of Palptine's palace. The first visage of him is an outline of Darth Vader, which we see is really a caped Luke, his hair casting shadows in such a way to reflect the shape of the Dark Lord's helmet, that steps into the light. That's FANTASTIC foreshadowing, by the way, for the story the Dark Empire tells. What Luke did or learned or experienced while he was nudging around the Emperor's palace, we are not told...but, he could easily have learned something...new....and dark. I don't think that's necessary. Must we have already seen everything that is possible with The Force? What if, with the new film, we are shown a new Force power, never seen before....? Before Empire came out, did you have a problem with Luke and Vader doing some of the things that they did? Certainly, it hadn't been established in A New Hope. Also, remember that certain powers seem to be unique to some individuals (I'd believe that they're not unique, but not available to all Jedi/Sith). For example, Vader is the only character to use the choke. Palpatine is the only character to use the energy lighting. Then Kenobi and Yoda are the only two we've seen "disappear" and merge into the Force. Qui-gon certainly didn't do that. Nor Mace Winu. Nor Darth Maul, Vader, or Palpatine. I don't find it hard to believe at all that there are lots of uses of the Force that we haven't seen. EDIT: Also remember that the Force is the strongest within the Skywalkers. Anakin and Luke are supposed to be two of the most powerful Jedi that have ever existed. Maybe the command that others have over the Force will not make it possible to crush an AT-AT's head, but for Luke Skywalker? Now, a Master Jedi Knight, 8 years after he used the Force to destroy the Death Star? Totally possible. 2nd EDIT: I'll even go this far, too. Maybe it's not possible, even for the great Luke Skywalker, to crush an AT-AT's head under normal conditions. But, remember, in my description above, the AT-AT fired it's blasters at the Master Jedi, and the bolts were reflected back at the vehicles head, doing severe damage. On a brand new, undamaged AT-AT, it may not be possible. But...what if Master Jedi Luke Skywalker saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. The command module hull was weakened by the reflected blast. Luke simply used the same power we saw in The Empire Strikes Back when Vader would rip pieces of machinery out of the walls and send it flying. In simple terms, maybe he saw a stress point and....used the Force to push on it. [/QUOTE]
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