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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7591638" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>They lost money on Solo and took a 700 million dunking from TFA to TLJ. Rogue One overperformed expctaitions, TLJ underperformed (they didnt expect it to make TFA money but 700 million down), and Solo was a bomb.</p><p></p><p> Like it or not the movies are about the Skywalkers, at least the 1st 6. Rey more or less has to be one or be killed off unless you render the entire plotline moot. </p><p></p><p> If you want new heroes that are not Skywalkers, they should have made a different movies with TFA. Even casuals I think would have had some reasonable expectations after the end of RoTJ- Luke reestablishes the Jedi, Han and Leia live happily ever after things like that. There is subverting expectations and then there blowing up the world/pissing your fans off. </p><p></p><p> They also did a piss poor worldbuilding, a few things male a bit more sense if you read the novels etc but they need explainations in the movies not books and comics, and those explainations also need to be logical/good. For example apparently Rey downloaded Kylos training, but this was not in the movies.</p><p></p><p> Sure it explains it but the explaination is still crap because.</p><p></p><p>1. Why bother training younglings in previous movies when they can just force meld and share information.</p><p></p><p>2. Yodas lines about the dark side being quick and easy. Nope its a lot quicker just being Rey (who may or may not be a Skywalker).</p><p></p><p> Note this lame explanation was not even in the movies.</p><p></p><p> The movies don't need to make sense using RL logic but they should adhere to in universe logic. See Hans statements in ANH about plotting hyperspace routes (that Rey just does), or internal logic of the movies (TFA Poe pilots because Finn can't., a few hours/days later Finn flies to Canto Bright).</p><p></p><p> Its why TLJ is hated/kind of regarded as one of the worst SW movies. The prequels were a god idea executed badly, Disney is no idea executed poorly. To some extent you have to give in to fan expectations/entertain them or they won't be your fans for much longer. Its fairly simple across franchises (D&D 4E, New Coke etc). Its the hardcore fans who will pay to see your movies 6 times over and buy the merchandise, the casuals will go see anything with the Star Wars name on it (or at least did until Solo). It was also the hardcore fans that resurrected Star Wars in 1991 with Heir to the Empire.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7591638, member: 6716779"] They lost money on Solo and took a 700 million dunking from TFA to TLJ. Rogue One overperformed expctaitions, TLJ underperformed (they didnt expect it to make TFA money but 700 million down), and Solo was a bomb. Like it or not the movies are about the Skywalkers, at least the 1st 6. Rey more or less has to be one or be killed off unless you render the entire plotline moot. If you want new heroes that are not Skywalkers, they should have made a different movies with TFA. Even casuals I think would have had some reasonable expectations after the end of RoTJ- Luke reestablishes the Jedi, Han and Leia live happily ever after things like that. There is subverting expectations and then there blowing up the world/pissing your fans off. They also did a piss poor worldbuilding, a few things male a bit more sense if you read the novels etc but they need explainations in the movies not books and comics, and those explainations also need to be logical/good. For example apparently Rey downloaded Kylos training, but this was not in the movies. Sure it explains it but the explaination is still crap because. 1. Why bother training younglings in previous movies when they can just force meld and share information. 2. Yodas lines about the dark side being quick and easy. Nope its a lot quicker just being Rey (who may or may not be a Skywalker). Note this lame explanation was not even in the movies. The movies don't need to make sense using RL logic but they should adhere to in universe logic. See Hans statements in ANH about plotting hyperspace routes (that Rey just does), or internal logic of the movies (TFA Poe pilots because Finn can't., a few hours/days later Finn flies to Canto Bright). Its why TLJ is hated/kind of regarded as one of the worst SW movies. The prequels were a god idea executed badly, Disney is no idea executed poorly. To some extent you have to give in to fan expectations/entertain them or they won't be your fans for much longer. Its fairly simple across franchises (D&D 4E, New Coke etc). Its the hardcore fans who will pay to see your movies 6 times over and buy the merchandise, the casuals will go see anything with the Star Wars name on it (or at least did until Solo). It was also the hardcore fans that resurrected Star Wars in 1991 with Heir to the Empire. [/QUOTE]
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