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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7593272" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>Sigh I'll explain it in different way. With Rey it's as subtle as a brick in the face. She powerful because of reasons.</p><p></p><p> In each OT movie you have Luke grow in power slowly and each movie there is early, mid, end movie Luke. You can see his growth in the force.</p><p></p><p> ANH </p><p>Early. Luke is farm boy, sucks owned by Tuskans gets trained ( minimally)</p><p></p><p>Middle. He is a hero rescues princess.</p><p></p><p>End. Blows up death Star via impossible shot using the force.</p><p></p><p>ESB.</p><p>Early. Uses telekinesis for the 1st time. We have only seen Vader do that.</p><p></p><p>Mid movie. Gets trained, lacks control lose his temper, moves rocks. Moving rocks seems harder than a lightsaber. Fails to move X Wing.</p><p> End. Runs off, confronts Vader.</p><p></p><p>RotJ</p><p>Early. Jabbas palace. Uses force choke. Foreshadowing and Vader uses force choke. Uses mind trick, hmmn Been a Jedi Master uses mind trick. Fails to use it on Jabba, improved combat skill with lightsaber. Uses telekinesis more (like Vader) Hmmn Luke's a Jedi.</p><p></p><p>Mid movie, sees Yoda again learns the truth. Relationship established hands himself in.</p><p></p><p>End. Confronts Vader, gives in to his anger, wins (darkside warnings) becomes full Jedi roll credits.</p><p></p><p> Lucas was subtle, Luke's powers grow and you can compare it with Ben and Vader's. It's also explained and uses foreshadowing. Follows logical path it's a clever spin on the heroes journey.</p><p></p><p> Rey is way more in your face with her powers than Luke. Not much in the way of character development, no real discernable progress, no relationship to people she just met, and is Uber at everything relative to Luke (and Vader and maybe Yoda).</p><p></p><p> Ones a compelling character, the others just powerful. No real explaination or personality, not much world build, can duel a darksider and deflect blaster bolts untrained about 5 minutes after picking up a lightsaber. Took Luke 3 movies vs one.</p><p></p><p> Isn't it reasonable to infer that when Luke starts using Jedi/Sith Master powers he is getting better. The new movies are doing the same ham fisted stupid it the bad parts of the old legends material did. Bigger is better, more powerful cookie cutter characters etc. </p><p></p><p> There's no Lucas subtle story telling there. Or Zahns Thrawn Trilogy. It's brick in face storytelling ( done poorly). Luke touched the darkside 2 or 3 times as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7593272, member: 6716779"] Sigh I'll explain it in different way. With Rey it's as subtle as a brick in the face. She powerful because of reasons. In each OT movie you have Luke grow in power slowly and each movie there is early, mid, end movie Luke. You can see his growth in the force. ANH Early. Luke is farm boy, sucks owned by Tuskans gets trained ( minimally) Middle. He is a hero rescues princess. End. Blows up death Star via impossible shot using the force. ESB. Early. Uses telekinesis for the 1st time. We have only seen Vader do that. Mid movie. Gets trained, lacks control lose his temper, moves rocks. Moving rocks seems harder than a lightsaber. Fails to move X Wing. End. Runs off, confronts Vader. RotJ Early. Jabbas palace. Uses force choke. Foreshadowing and Vader uses force choke. Uses mind trick, hmmn Been a Jedi Master uses mind trick. Fails to use it on Jabba, improved combat skill with lightsaber. Uses telekinesis more (like Vader) Hmmn Luke's a Jedi. Mid movie, sees Yoda again learns the truth. Relationship established hands himself in. End. Confronts Vader, gives in to his anger, wins (darkside warnings) becomes full Jedi roll credits. Lucas was subtle, Luke's powers grow and you can compare it with Ben and Vader's. It's also explained and uses foreshadowing. Follows logical path it's a clever spin on the heroes journey. Rey is way more in your face with her powers than Luke. Not much in the way of character development, no real discernable progress, no relationship to people she just met, and is Uber at everything relative to Luke (and Vader and maybe Yoda). Ones a compelling character, the others just powerful. No real explaination or personality, not much world build, can duel a darksider and deflect blaster bolts untrained about 5 minutes after picking up a lightsaber. Took Luke 3 movies vs one. Isn't it reasonable to infer that when Luke starts using Jedi/Sith Master powers he is getting better. The new movies are doing the same ham fisted stupid it the bad parts of the old legends material did. Bigger is better, more powerful cookie cutter characters etc. There's no Lucas subtle story telling there. Or Zahns Thrawn Trilogy. It's brick in face storytelling ( done poorly). Luke touched the darkside 2 or 3 times as well. [/QUOTE]
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