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<blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7561810" data-attributes="member: 6716779"><p>I've seen it argued both ways but I think it varies by year and what the top 10 movies of each year are. The top 10 movie tend to be vastly disproportionate amount of the total revenue. </p><p></p><p> With Star Wars and some other blockbuster movies though the numbers required to make a profit is insane. For example Solo needed to make around 500 million to break even, TFA made 2 billion but profit was m00 billion. TLJ made 1.3 billion not sure what the profit margin was. </p><p></p><p> The financials came out covering TLJ era and they were down 200 million from the previous year. Toy sales for Star Wars ere also down but action figures were up. Basically Marvel was selling, Star Wars was in decline. </p><p></p><p> For Star Wars though male fan base, middle class income (apparently).</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/hayleycuccinello/2015/12/16/luke-skywalker-star-wars-fan-insights-from-demographic-data/#471672dd344a" target="_blank">https://www.forbes.com/sites/hayleycuccinello/2015/12/16/luke-skywalker-star-wars-fan-insights-from-demographic-data/#471672dd344a</a></p><p></p><p>Yay I am a stereotype. Not a lawyer though.</p><p></p><p>Legacy characters and villains are the most popular, Rey not so much, Leia is ranked high though so it doesn't seem to be male vs female. Rey is not very popular, Kylo is the most poplar out of the new characters, Leia is the second most popular overall. </p><p></p><p> Killing off Luke and Hand and Carrie dying IRL does create problems, all the most popular characters are gone. They can force ghost in Luke though. I probably wouldn't have killed Luke off though, if I did it would have bee in Episode IX.</p><p></p><p>If you're a hard core Star Wars fan though this probably won't go down to well.</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=Kathleen+Kennedy+force+is+female&rlz=1C1GIWA_enNZ577NZ577&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=PnwzOMQnRCiMSM%253A%252CM5MeXIU_7KdFVM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kTfNvXBVtth_p1llnXrYfLkMZrbzg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwii7rGNt7TgAhXKeisKHcAyBcEQ9QEwAHoECAEQBA#imgrc=PnwzOMQnRCiMSM:" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?q=Kathleen+Kennedy+force+is+female&rlz=1C1GIWA_enNZ577NZ577&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=PnwzOMQnRCiMSM%3A%2CM5MeXIU_7KdFVM%2C_&usg=AI4_-kTfNvXBVtth_p1llnXrYfLkMZrbzg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwii7rGNt7TgAhXKeisKHcAyBcEQ9QEwAHoECAEQBA#imgrc=PnwzOMQnRCiMSM:</a></p><p></p><p> The force is basically genderless in the old EU. And Rian Johnson called the fans manbabies lol. The fanbase has never really had a problem with females IMHO (see the link above about Leia), the old EU had plenty of strong female characters (the New Republic had back to back female leaders, Mon Mothma then Leia, numerous Sith/Jedi ladies/masters). I think the difference is it has to be organic. Leia was a badass who happened to be female, Rey was depicted as a badass because she was female and was presented as wonder women. Lukes also popular but he was never written as superman and he went from whiney and impulsive to Jedi Knight (and master in the EU). Leia gets wounded badly, Han gets chucked in carbonite, Luke loses a hand and gets his ass handed to him so the OT main characters had a bit of vulnerability and better character building. A lot of that was TLJ fault IMHO as Rian Johnson ignored a lot of plot point seeds in TFA and basically threw out the two people cared about the most (Snooke and Reys parents).</p><p></p><p> This also feeds back into who is your villain for episode IX. Apparently they are adding a new one because Kylo can't really be it. He has basically lost twice (to Rey/Luke), and has gone back and forth to much so they would need to start episode IX with him kicking kittens or somethings. Luke redeeming Vader meant something along with defeating the Emperor. If Kylo is the villain and he is defeated again it doesn't mean as much- he has already been defeated twice. Vader killed Obi Wan and wrecked Luke. You need a good villain to confront the heroes this is basic storytelling 101. Its not Kylo, probably should have been Snoke that is one of the big problems of TLJ IMHO. Several obvious conclusions to IX.</p><p></p><p>1. Rey defeats Kylo.</p><p> Yawn Kylo is ineffective villain has already been defeated twice. Vader was a badass, Kylo not so much.</p><p></p><p>2. Rey Redeems Kylo.</p><p> Haven't we seen a redemption arc before?</p><p></p><p> Those are the 2 obvious endings for IX, both of them don't really work that well IMHO. Some less obvious ones.</p><p></p><p>3. Rey turns to the darkside. I don't really see this happening. I don't see the villains winning which means if Rey goes dark her and Kylo get their comeuppances.</p><p></p><p>4. Double turn. Kylo is redeemed, Rey turns. </p><p> A screwy finish to the trilogy but perhaps the best of the bad options.</p><p></p><p> Any other finish is going to be even more screwy than the 4th one. If Kylo is the one they needed him to look totally badass in TLJ. Had they trained him more as hinted at in the end of TFA and he picked up or discovered some new power (or even force lightning) it would have been more effective. They have painted themselves into a corner I think as they killed off the legacy characters to early IMHO, and have an ineffective villain and a hero that is not very popular. That is the main problem with TLJ and its not good for episode IX IMHO. And they basically threw Snoke and Phasma away as well. THe link I gave above also shows Kylo is more popular than Rey, Adam Driver kinda stole the spotlight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardnaar, post: 7561810, member: 6716779"] I've seen it argued both ways but I think it varies by year and what the top 10 movies of each year are. The top 10 movie tend to be vastly disproportionate amount of the total revenue. With Star Wars and some other blockbuster movies though the numbers required to make a profit is insane. For example Solo needed to make around 500 million to break even, TFA made 2 billion but profit was m00 billion. TLJ made 1.3 billion not sure what the profit margin was. The financials came out covering TLJ era and they were down 200 million from the previous year. Toy sales for Star Wars ere also down but action figures were up. Basically Marvel was selling, Star Wars was in decline. For Star Wars though male fan base, middle class income (apparently). [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/hayleycuccinello/2015/12/16/luke-skywalker-star-wars-fan-insights-from-demographic-data/#471672dd344a[/URL] Yay I am a stereotype. Not a lawyer though. Legacy characters and villains are the most popular, Rey not so much, Leia is ranked high though so it doesn't seem to be male vs female. Rey is not very popular, Kylo is the most poplar out of the new characters, Leia is the second most popular overall. Killing off Luke and Hand and Carrie dying IRL does create problems, all the most popular characters are gone. They can force ghost in Luke though. I probably wouldn't have killed Luke off though, if I did it would have bee in Episode IX. If you're a hard core Star Wars fan though this probably won't go down to well. [URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=Kathleen+Kennedy+force+is+female&rlz=1C1GIWA_enNZ577NZ577&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=PnwzOMQnRCiMSM%253A%252CM5MeXIU_7KdFVM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kTfNvXBVtth_p1llnXrYfLkMZrbzg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwii7rGNt7TgAhXKeisKHcAyBcEQ9QEwAHoECAEQBA#imgrc=PnwzOMQnRCiMSM:[/URL] The force is basically genderless in the old EU. And Rian Johnson called the fans manbabies lol. The fanbase has never really had a problem with females IMHO (see the link above about Leia), the old EU had plenty of strong female characters (the New Republic had back to back female leaders, Mon Mothma then Leia, numerous Sith/Jedi ladies/masters). I think the difference is it has to be organic. Leia was a badass who happened to be female, Rey was depicted as a badass because she was female and was presented as wonder women. Lukes also popular but he was never written as superman and he went from whiney and impulsive to Jedi Knight (and master in the EU). Leia gets wounded badly, Han gets chucked in carbonite, Luke loses a hand and gets his ass handed to him so the OT main characters had a bit of vulnerability and better character building. A lot of that was TLJ fault IMHO as Rian Johnson ignored a lot of plot point seeds in TFA and basically threw out the two people cared about the most (Snooke and Reys parents). This also feeds back into who is your villain for episode IX. Apparently they are adding a new one because Kylo can't really be it. He has basically lost twice (to Rey/Luke), and has gone back and forth to much so they would need to start episode IX with him kicking kittens or somethings. Luke redeeming Vader meant something along with defeating the Emperor. If Kylo is the villain and he is defeated again it doesn't mean as much- he has already been defeated twice. Vader killed Obi Wan and wrecked Luke. You need a good villain to confront the heroes this is basic storytelling 101. Its not Kylo, probably should have been Snoke that is one of the big problems of TLJ IMHO. Several obvious conclusions to IX. 1. Rey defeats Kylo. Yawn Kylo is ineffective villain has already been defeated twice. Vader was a badass, Kylo not so much. 2. Rey Redeems Kylo. Haven't we seen a redemption arc before? Those are the 2 obvious endings for IX, both of them don't really work that well IMHO. Some less obvious ones. 3. Rey turns to the darkside. I don't really see this happening. I don't see the villains winning which means if Rey goes dark her and Kylo get their comeuppances. 4. Double turn. Kylo is redeemed, Rey turns. A screwy finish to the trilogy but perhaps the best of the bad options. Any other finish is going to be even more screwy than the 4th one. If Kylo is the one they needed him to look totally badass in TLJ. Had they trained him more as hinted at in the end of TFA and he picked up or discovered some new power (or even force lightning) it would have been more effective. They have painted themselves into a corner I think as they killed off the legacy characters to early IMHO, and have an ineffective villain and a hero that is not very popular. That is the main problem with TLJ and its not good for episode IX IMHO. And they basically threw Snoke and Phasma away as well. THe link I gave above also shows Kylo is more popular than Rey, Adam Driver kinda stole the spotlight. [/QUOTE]
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