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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 7563914" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>It's hard to say who hardcore fans are or who non-hardcore fans are.</p><p></p><p>I'll put me in the non-hardcore fan...</p><p></p><p>I'd say for MOST casual fans The Last Jedi is a disaster. After seeing it most are...meh. There's nothing really left. The New Sequel Trilogy has destroyed the Original Trilogy down past the foundations...there's just about nothing left. There was no success from the Original Trilogy that the New Sequels seemingly have not undone.</p><p></p><p>Meaning...what's the point anymore anyways?</p><p></p><p>The biggest disaster is NOT the hardcore fans tearing the movie apart. It is NOT an inconsistency of the past or present, and it is NOT people arguing about various things regarding canon or not canon.</p><p></p><p>The Biggest disaster is that the casual movie goer doesn't really care anymore. They aren't really interested. It is that they are more...meh...towards Star Wars today than they were two years ago.</p><p></p><p>This entire meh...has been reflected in sales outside of the movies. Toy Sales are down (and the most concerning to me in ways which are bothersome) and I am NOT blaming the Toy company on this one. They did their job. Some speculation on the release timing...but that timing would have been fine if attitudes hadn't shot down.</p><p></p><p>It's not oversaturation of the market or some ridiculous thing like that. Toy sales are pretty good for Marvel toys in general...and they released FAR more movies in the past 3 years than Star Wars has. If anything had oversaturation...it would be Marvel at this point. Marvel simply shows that if you write movies in a way that caters to fans and draws kids to want to play with the toys...they will.</p><p></p><p>One problem with TLJ is that most of the toys weren't cool. What I mean is that those bombers...not exactly something that inspires kids to play with them...the same goes for those new Speeders (I'm not sure what they are called....they are the idea of the Snow Speeders from Empire...but have a ski don't look as slick).</p><p></p><p>Diversity has nothing to do with it. The movie just did not resonate with their core audiences as well as it should have. It was probably a pretty good movie as movies go, but for those that would buy Star Wars merchandise and go to more Star Wars movies...probably not so great. </p><p></p><p>I'd say the brand may be in DEEEEP trouble right now. I'd also say Disney is in a wait and see mode. CAN Abrahms resurrect it once again? He's pretty good at bringing brands back or ensuring that they are viable. I think there are many holding their breath right now. If this movie flops...I'm thinking it may be shelved as a movie series for a while and relegated to TV via streaming.</p><p></p><p>If it is a success...it depends on how much IX is a success. Can it resurrect diving sales of merchandise? Will it equal or make more than The Last Jedi. Predictions are all over the place. Some say it may be a bomb...others say it stands a good chance of at least making a few hundred million more than The Last Jedi.</p><p></p><p>I think a LOT depends on fan perception of the trailer coming out (hopefully less Aladdin and more Frozen 2) and a LOT is riding on how IX does at the theater. Solo was a warning that the brand may need some work...IX will be confirmation on where it actually currently stands. Hopefully they do all the right things with IX and make it so that the casual fans find interest to spend money on toys, merchandise...and of course...tickets...when IX comes out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 7563914, member: 4348"] It's hard to say who hardcore fans are or who non-hardcore fans are. I'll put me in the non-hardcore fan... I'd say for MOST casual fans The Last Jedi is a disaster. After seeing it most are...meh. There's nothing really left. The New Sequel Trilogy has destroyed the Original Trilogy down past the foundations...there's just about nothing left. There was no success from the Original Trilogy that the New Sequels seemingly have not undone. Meaning...what's the point anymore anyways? The biggest disaster is NOT the hardcore fans tearing the movie apart. It is NOT an inconsistency of the past or present, and it is NOT people arguing about various things regarding canon or not canon. The Biggest disaster is that the casual movie goer doesn't really care anymore. They aren't really interested. It is that they are more...meh...towards Star Wars today than they were two years ago. This entire meh...has been reflected in sales outside of the movies. Toy Sales are down (and the most concerning to me in ways which are bothersome) and I am NOT blaming the Toy company on this one. They did their job. Some speculation on the release timing...but that timing would have been fine if attitudes hadn't shot down. It's not oversaturation of the market or some ridiculous thing like that. Toy sales are pretty good for Marvel toys in general...and they released FAR more movies in the past 3 years than Star Wars has. If anything had oversaturation...it would be Marvel at this point. Marvel simply shows that if you write movies in a way that caters to fans and draws kids to want to play with the toys...they will. One problem with TLJ is that most of the toys weren't cool. What I mean is that those bombers...not exactly something that inspires kids to play with them...the same goes for those new Speeders (I'm not sure what they are called....they are the idea of the Snow Speeders from Empire...but have a ski don't look as slick). Diversity has nothing to do with it. The movie just did not resonate with their core audiences as well as it should have. It was probably a pretty good movie as movies go, but for those that would buy Star Wars merchandise and go to more Star Wars movies...probably not so great. I'd say the brand may be in DEEEEP trouble right now. I'd also say Disney is in a wait and see mode. CAN Abrahms resurrect it once again? He's pretty good at bringing brands back or ensuring that they are viable. I think there are many holding their breath right now. If this movie flops...I'm thinking it may be shelved as a movie series for a while and relegated to TV via streaming. If it is a success...it depends on how much IX is a success. Can it resurrect diving sales of merchandise? Will it equal or make more than The Last Jedi. Predictions are all over the place. Some say it may be a bomb...others say it stands a good chance of at least making a few hundred million more than The Last Jedi. I think a LOT depends on fan perception of the trailer coming out (hopefully less Aladdin and more Frozen 2) and a LOT is riding on how IX does at the theater. Solo was a warning that the brand may need some work...IX will be confirmation on where it actually currently stands. Hopefully they do all the right things with IX and make it so that the casual fans find interest to spend money on toys, merchandise...and of course...tickets...when IX comes out. [/QUOTE]
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