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<blockquote data-quote="AaronOfBarbaria" data-source="post: 7014719" data-attributes="member: 6701872"><p>You're not figuring offensive CR the way the DMG says to figure it. The relevant information is on page 278 under the "Overall Damage Output" bold-started paragraph.</p><p></p><p>When you have a creature that has varying damage per round, like a dragon, you have to figure out the average of 3 rounds of damage. That means 1 round with the breath weapon and legendary actions, and then 2 rounds with the multiattack and legendary actions. Further, with area attacks you actually assume hitting more than one creature (the DMG uses a dragon's breath as an example and assumes 2 PCs hit). You also assume the strongest attacks possibly used are the ones used for this purpose, so you have the 3 legendary actions spent on tail attacks because that is the highest damage to action ratio.</p><p></p><p>That means the ancient black dragon has a 3-round average damage of 134 (base offensive CR of 20), and with it's +15 attack bonus adjusting that by 2 (because it's 5 point higher than the +10 listed on the CR 20 line of the chart) the offensive CR of the ancient black dragon clocks in at 22 - not 12.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AaronOfBarbaria, post: 7014719, member: 6701872"] You're not figuring offensive CR the way the DMG says to figure it. The relevant information is on page 278 under the "Overall Damage Output" bold-started paragraph. When you have a creature that has varying damage per round, like a dragon, you have to figure out the average of 3 rounds of damage. That means 1 round with the breath weapon and legendary actions, and then 2 rounds with the multiattack and legendary actions. Further, with area attacks you actually assume hitting more than one creature (the DMG uses a dragon's breath as an example and assumes 2 PCs hit). You also assume the strongest attacks possibly used are the ones used for this purpose, so you have the 3 legendary actions spent on tail attacks because that is the highest damage to action ratio. That means the ancient black dragon has a 3-round average damage of 134 (base offensive CR of 20), and with it's +15 attack bonus adjusting that by 2 (because it's 5 point higher than the +10 listed on the CR 20 line of the chart) the offensive CR of the ancient black dragon clocks in at 22 - not 12. [/QUOTE]
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