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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 7223110" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>I was involved in the original thread that led to this one. </p><p></p><p>I think that perhaps some "paragon" versions of some of the higher CR monsters from the Monster Manual would be in order. Some of the upper echelon of demons and devils and the like. </p><p></p><p> [MENTION=83242]dave2008[/MENTION] has done some great work in <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468639-5e-EPIC-MONSTER-UPDATES" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468639-5e-EPIC-MONSTER-UPDATES</a> but as the title suggests these are incredibly high level monsters along the lines of deities and elder beings and the like. I believe that there are a few "slightly beefed up" versions of things like the Pit Fiend and Balor, but the majority of creatures in the entry have CRs that are off the charts. </p><p></p><p>I think something like this but not quite as deadly would be possible. A middle ground of sorts. Take the base creature, let's say a Pit Fiend for example, and then maybe create a few varieties of the creature to try and increase the challenge, or to give the DM some options to choose from. Something like a "Pit Fiend Hellslinger" or a "Pit Fiend Hellcaster". Shift the creature's focus a bit, or tweak their abilities slightly, in order to increase their efficacy and utility. </p><p></p><p>But as I mentioned in the other thread, it may prove tough to gain interest in something like this, since the folks crying loudest for a solution to this problem will only accept something from WotC as a solution.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 7223110, member: 6785785"] I was involved in the original thread that led to this one. I think that perhaps some "paragon" versions of some of the higher CR monsters from the Monster Manual would be in order. Some of the upper echelon of demons and devils and the like. [MENTION=83242]dave2008[/MENTION] has done some great work in [url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?468639-5e-EPIC-MONSTER-UPDATES[/url] but as the title suggests these are incredibly high level monsters along the lines of deities and elder beings and the like. I believe that there are a few "slightly beefed up" versions of things like the Pit Fiend and Balor, but the majority of creatures in the entry have CRs that are off the charts. I think something like this but not quite as deadly would be possible. A middle ground of sorts. Take the base creature, let's say a Pit Fiend for example, and then maybe create a few varieties of the creature to try and increase the challenge, or to give the DM some options to choose from. Something like a "Pit Fiend Hellslinger" or a "Pit Fiend Hellcaster". Shift the creature's focus a bit, or tweak their abilities slightly, in order to increase their efficacy and utility. But as I mentioned in the other thread, it may prove tough to gain interest in something like this, since the folks crying loudest for a solution to this problem will only accept something from WotC as a solution. [/QUOTE]
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