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<blockquote data-quote="Beefermatic" data-source="post: 7270558" data-attributes="member: 6670757"><p>I put their ecl at +8 but have a different system for monster races.</p><p></p><p>I feel that the ecl system is kind of broken as the suggested ecl to effective power isn't balanced whatsoever. I break a race down to its constituent class levels for racial levels and make a character play those out as his class, for diversity's sake I let them choose an NPC class to gestalt so they can have the flavor of the character they want. So a zard starting lvl 1 would have reduced stats, and would have to play out 8 lvls of Dragon, slowly gaining his abilities as he grows, but let's say his char concept was a zard mage, I would allow him to play an Adept simultaneously, thusly he'd be a strange mystical dino dragon man who would have usable magic but would get stomped by a sorcerer.</p><p></p><p>I'll post some of my mock ups for monster races peeps have played in the past, their class and level up process, mind you it isn't balanced, but it's more balanced than the ecl system, that said neither are the CRs themselves, don't believe me? Look at a pixie. Ask if it's 'really' CR 3 or is it just a party killer?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Beefermatic, post: 7270558, member: 6670757"] I put their ecl at +8 but have a different system for monster races. I feel that the ecl system is kind of broken as the suggested ecl to effective power isn't balanced whatsoever. I break a race down to its constituent class levels for racial levels and make a character play those out as his class, for diversity's sake I let them choose an NPC class to gestalt so they can have the flavor of the character they want. So a zard starting lvl 1 would have reduced stats, and would have to play out 8 lvls of Dragon, slowly gaining his abilities as he grows, but let's say his char concept was a zard mage, I would allow him to play an Adept simultaneously, thusly he'd be a strange mystical dino dragon man who would have usable magic but would get stomped by a sorcerer. I'll post some of my mock ups for monster races peeps have played in the past, their class and level up process, mind you it isn't balanced, but it's more balanced than the ecl system, that said neither are the CRs themselves, don't believe me? Look at a pixie. Ask if it's 'really' CR 3 or is it just a party killer? [/QUOTE]
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