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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 7085339" data-attributes="member: 6799649"><p>To home in on the problem:-</p><p></p><p>Something in the game world can wake the sleeper (like being stabbed, a knife hitting your pillow, a noise), but nothing the players do around the table can possibly awaken the sleeper (the DM turning to the surprise rules, the DM asking for initiative rolls, the player rolling an attack) <em>unless</em> that causes something in the game world which could awaken the sleeper.</p><p></p><p>Further, neither the player nor the character merely <em>thinking</em> about attacking can possibly awaken the sleeper. <em>Intending</em> to attack, <em>declaring</em> that you are stabbing someone may very well cause the DM to have initiative rolled and for the creatures to take Turns in the Combat Round, <em>but none of that can possibly awaken the sleeper because nothing has actually happened in the game world (yet) to cause a sleeping creature to awake.</em></p><p></p><p>The problem we are having with Hriston's position is that he is saying that the DM's decision to begin combat by rolling initiative and starting the combat round <strong>is</strong> what wakes the sleeper, and that is just not possible!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 7085339, member: 6799649"] To home in on the problem:- Something in the game world can wake the sleeper (like being stabbed, a knife hitting your pillow, a noise), but nothing the players do around the table can possibly awaken the sleeper (the DM turning to the surprise rules, the DM asking for initiative rolls, the player rolling an attack) [i]unless[/i] that causes something in the game world which could awaken the sleeper. Further, neither the player nor the character merely [i]thinking[/i] about attacking can possibly awaken the sleeper. [i]Intending[/i] to attack, [i]declaring[/i] that you are stabbing someone may very well cause the DM to have initiative rolled and for the creatures to take Turns in the Combat Round, [i]but none of that can possibly awaken the sleeper because nothing has actually happened in the game world (yet) to cause a sleeping creature to awake.[/i] The problem we are having with Hriston's position is that he is saying that the DM's decision to begin combat by rolling initiative and starting the combat round [b]is[/b] what wakes the sleeper, and that is just not possible! [/QUOTE]
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