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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7263586" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>It's not just combat. Skill checks can get crazy, too - I've got a Sage of Ages in my campaign, for instance. Gak. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Part of the problem is that it's not the game breaking down or the characters getting out of control, it's the DM having less to work with. When 4e first came out, it was focused on the Heroic Tier, the advice in the DMG, particularly. The DMG 2 had some advice & such for the Paragon Tier. ... But there was never a DMG 3, instead we got Essentials, which stubbornly focused on the Heroic Tier, again, even to the point of the damn CB refusing to print out your Paragon Path & Epic Destiny. </p><p>You had this system primed for Epic Tier, that worked all the way through, mechanically, but not that much to actually /do/ in Epic Tier. </p><p></p><p>Which left you, really, in the position that running D&D of any level generally had in prior decades - on your own. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7263586, member: 996"] It's not just combat. Skill checks can get crazy, too - I've got a Sage of Ages in my campaign, for instance. Gak. ;) Part of the problem is that it's not the game breaking down or the characters getting out of control, it's the DM having less to work with. When 4e first came out, it was focused on the Heroic Tier, the advice in the DMG, particularly. The DMG 2 had some advice & such for the Paragon Tier. ... But there was never a DMG 3, instead we got Essentials, which stubbornly focused on the Heroic Tier, again, even to the point of the damn CB refusing to print out your Paragon Path & Epic Destiny. You had this system primed for Epic Tier, that worked all the way through, mechanically, but not that much to actually /do/ in Epic Tier. Which left you, really, in the position that running D&D of any level generally had in prior decades - on your own. ;) [/QUOTE]
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