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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7686813" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>And now we can queue up all the people opposed to the idea of both default animal companion and default spellcasting. Because obviously there are a bunch of each (and probably many who oppose both together.)</p><p></p><p>The question really becomes though... whether a complete "reworking" actually matters, or is everyone really just better served by doing what the DMG recommends by doing power-swaps of class features? So rather than actually try and create a "new" Ranger class, just go ahead and produce a document of official "Rangers" built from the existing classes/backgrounds, swapping features in and out to produce the various types of Rangers people want.</p><p></p><p>We already got a potential "Spell-less Ranger" created using the Ranger class and swapping in Battlemaster maneuvers. Maybe we're better served by really playtesting that and making that option more "official"? Or perhaps creating a Paladin of the Ancients build that either swaps in the Ranger spell list, or perhaps swaps in the Beastmaster animal companion to create a heavily-armored "Ranger" option for those people who think that's what a Ranger actually is meant to be? Or build a Fighter Battlemaster that swaps in ranger abilities like Primeval Awareness et al. for some of the fighter abilities that a "Ranger" wouldn't necessarily have, in order to get a more warrior-esque non-magical "Ranger"?</p><p></p><p>Too many people refuse to accept this jury-rigging approach to class and character building as "real". A "Warlord" built up from the bones of the fighter, rogue and valor bard, isn't a "real" Warlord. Maybe it's time for WotC to create a fully-playtested book of "classes" (either new or alternatives to existing ones) that are deemed "Official"? For both Adventurer's League, and for home use? Maybe then we'd finally see an end to these odd requests for all of these older classes to be redone for 5E? Your desired "4E-style Warden" or "2E-style Jester" class could finally be official without needing to create piles upon piles of new mechanics to make them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7686813, member: 7006"] And now we can queue up all the people opposed to the idea of both default animal companion and default spellcasting. Because obviously there are a bunch of each (and probably many who oppose both together.) The question really becomes though... whether a complete "reworking" actually matters, or is everyone really just better served by doing what the DMG recommends by doing power-swaps of class features? So rather than actually try and create a "new" Ranger class, just go ahead and produce a document of official "Rangers" built from the existing classes/backgrounds, swapping features in and out to produce the various types of Rangers people want. We already got a potential "Spell-less Ranger" created using the Ranger class and swapping in Battlemaster maneuvers. Maybe we're better served by really playtesting that and making that option more "official"? Or perhaps creating a Paladin of the Ancients build that either swaps in the Ranger spell list, or perhaps swaps in the Beastmaster animal companion to create a heavily-armored "Ranger" option for those people who think that's what a Ranger actually is meant to be? Or build a Fighter Battlemaster that swaps in ranger abilities like Primeval Awareness et al. for some of the fighter abilities that a "Ranger" wouldn't necessarily have, in order to get a more warrior-esque non-magical "Ranger"? Too many people refuse to accept this jury-rigging approach to class and character building as "real". A "Warlord" built up from the bones of the fighter, rogue and valor bard, isn't a "real" Warlord. Maybe it's time for WotC to create a fully-playtested book of "classes" (either new or alternatives to existing ones) that are deemed "Official"? For both Adventurer's League, and for home use? Maybe then we'd finally see an end to these odd requests for all of these older classes to be redone for 5E? Your desired "4E-style Warden" or "2E-style Jester" class could finally be official without needing to create piles upon piles of new mechanics to make them. [/QUOTE]
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