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Tempest Balance - Forked Thread: Battlerager: Experiences?
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<blockquote data-quote="deleteme123456" data-source="post: 4645903" data-attributes="member: 65832"><p>Actually, consider this... a Guardian Fighter (+1 with 1H) who takes the Multi Ranger feat in MP that lets you get 1H in off-hand can dual wield Bastard Swords, or my favorite, waraxes. So this costs two feats, we'll give the tempest fighter two feats as well, probably weapon focus: light blade, and twf if we just want to compare damage output. We'll stick to bastard swords so we don't have to screw with a different chance to hit. This is not to necessarily say the GF trick is better, but to present it for discussion. For further comparison, we'll add a TWF ranger, who takes Chain as one of his feats and WF: heavy blade as the other.</p><p></p><p>Level 2 fighters, assume race doesn't matter here. Both have the same str.</p><p>TF: 1d6+2 [class feature]+0.5 [TWF, main hand is half your attacks] + 1 [WF] = 3.5 + 3.5 = 7.0 per hit. AC = 10 + 1 (level) + 6 (chain) + 1 (TWD) = 18</p><p></p><p>GF: 1d10 = 5.5 per hit. AC = 18 (scale)</p><p></p><p>TWFR: 1d10+1 = 6.5 per hit (-1 to hit vs fighter) + 3.5 quarry damage (half the time) = 6.5 + 1.75 = 8.25. AC = 17 (chain)</p><p></p><p>Going forward, the GF has better defensive options (can get plate and plate spec, or get scale spec to keep speed 6 if he invests a tiny bit in dex), and can go for axes instead which have easier (IMO) feat requirements (CON > DEX for a fighter). The TWFR has all sorts of options including lethal quarry, boosting dex for Stormwarden (although the fighters could multi ranger and take stormwarden), scale, twd, etc. Of course, all sorts of options may translate into "not enough feats to become effective."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="deleteme123456, post: 4645903, member: 65832"] Actually, consider this... a Guardian Fighter (+1 with 1H) who takes the Multi Ranger feat in MP that lets you get 1H in off-hand can dual wield Bastard Swords, or my favorite, waraxes. So this costs two feats, we'll give the tempest fighter two feats as well, probably weapon focus: light blade, and twf if we just want to compare damage output. We'll stick to bastard swords so we don't have to screw with a different chance to hit. This is not to necessarily say the GF trick is better, but to present it for discussion. For further comparison, we'll add a TWF ranger, who takes Chain as one of his feats and WF: heavy blade as the other. Level 2 fighters, assume race doesn't matter here. Both have the same str. TF: 1d6+2 [class feature]+0.5 [TWF, main hand is half your attacks] + 1 [WF] = 3.5 + 3.5 = 7.0 per hit. AC = 10 + 1 (level) + 6 (chain) + 1 (TWD) = 18 GF: 1d10 = 5.5 per hit. AC = 18 (scale) TWFR: 1d10+1 = 6.5 per hit (-1 to hit vs fighter) + 3.5 quarry damage (half the time) = 6.5 + 1.75 = 8.25. AC = 17 (chain) Going forward, the GF has better defensive options (can get plate and plate spec, or get scale spec to keep speed 6 if he invests a tiny bit in dex), and can go for axes instead which have easier (IMO) feat requirements (CON > DEX for a fighter). The TWFR has all sorts of options including lethal quarry, boosting dex for Stormwarden (although the fighters could multi ranger and take stormwarden), scale, twd, etc. Of course, all sorts of options may translate into "not enough feats to become effective." [/QUOTE]
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