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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 9340262" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>YMMV but I'm actually quite sensitive. If it veers to far off from regular D&D it just doesn't feel like the same game to me.</p><p></p><p>Games that do away with the iconic class structure aren't D&D to me; it needs fighting man, thief, mage, cleric at the very least. Classless games aren't D&D. Games that try to boil down the essence of D&D classes to, say Strong, Fast and Cunning "classes" are no longer D&D.</p><p></p><p>Games that do away with the six attributes aren't D&D to me. You can rename them or even replace them, but reduce to only, say, Physical, Mental and Spiritual traits, and you'll face a very steep uphill battle to make me consider your game "still D&D"*</p><p></p><p>D&D cyclopedia is D&D. 5th edition is D&D. Pathfinder 1 and 3rd edition is D&D. AD&D and DCC is D&D.</p><p></p><p>And microlites might remain D&D, but offers too little crunch to be of interest.</p><p></p><p>Lots of "this is D&D with its faults fixed" attempts do not feel like D&D to me, and this is likely why they fail so utterly.</p><p></p><p>They lose sight of what people look for in a D&D like game. They might have the best of intentions but end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater nevertheless.</p><p></p><p>Zapp</p><p></p><p>*) most games fail. In fact, I can remember only one man succeeding, and that would be Gary Gygax himself; with Mythus/Dangerous Journeys.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 9340262, member: 12731"] YMMV but I'm actually quite sensitive. If it veers to far off from regular D&D it just doesn't feel like the same game to me. Games that do away with the iconic class structure aren't D&D to me; it needs fighting man, thief, mage, cleric at the very least. Classless games aren't D&D. Games that try to boil down the essence of D&D classes to, say Strong, Fast and Cunning "classes" are no longer D&D. Games that do away with the six attributes aren't D&D to me. You can rename them or even replace them, but reduce to only, say, Physical, Mental and Spiritual traits, and you'll face a very steep uphill battle to make me consider your game "still D&D"* D&D cyclopedia is D&D. 5th edition is D&D. Pathfinder 1 and 3rd edition is D&D. AD&D and DCC is D&D. And microlites might remain D&D, but offers too little crunch to be of interest. Lots of "this is D&D with its faults fixed" attempts do not feel like D&D to me, and this is likely why they fail so utterly. They lose sight of what people look for in a D&D like game. They might have the best of intentions but end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater nevertheless. Zapp *) most games fail. In fact, I can remember only one man succeeding, and that would be Gary Gygax himself; with Mythus/Dangerous Journeys. [/QUOTE]
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