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<blockquote data-quote="Patrick McGill" data-source="post: 6596981" data-attributes="member: 6749334"><p>I think the art did a fantastic job of creating evocative experiences, which I think is the ultimate goal. The art makes me think, and gets my juices flowing. The diversity of the art is a major player in that. That scimitar wielding dude in the front of the PHB? I wanted to be him immediately. I think the diversity isn't there to meet some kind of "agenda" (what agenda would that be, anyway?), it's there because the developers wanted to show how diverse the fantasy dreamlands of D&D are. Diversity is strength, and I think the diverse art has helped the new edition a ton.</p><p></p><p>Me, personally, I prefer realism in my fantasy art (hah). I'm not down with chainmail bikinis and all that. The older lady in the full plate featured in a few of the pieces is probably my favorite character out of the ones shown in the art. She looks experienced and intelligent, the sort of tactical fighter or paladin that I enjoy playing.</p><p></p><p>However, I don't think skimpy art is bad. Some people like chainmail bikinis. In fact, out of the people I know, the ones who like that sort of art tend to be women (I know quite a few women who are in love with those new Red Sonja comic covers). And it's fine. I think the art should cater to everyone. I wouldn't care if some of the art was titillating towards men or women (buff vikings or senpai batmen) at all. Fantasy art has a long history of bordering on the erotic. Much of this is creepy male "gaze" obviously, put in because sex sells, but for other people it's part of the subversion of societal norms, a reaction to puritanism and conservatism.</p><p></p><p>I think the same about power fantasies. I don't think thats unhealthy either. The swole Conan, crushing his enemies to dust beneath his bare feet, screaming to the sky with his blooded axes held aloft. I like that. That's sword and sorcery to me, and I don't find it bad at all. </p><p></p><p>I do think there needs to be more female power fantasy, however. A lot of that sort of art-with-heavy-metal-riffs is definitely male oriented. I wonder if the Red Sonja comics count? I think a full page art spread of a Red Sonja like character, leaning back on a throne of skulls and leopard skins idly inspecting a huge greatsword, being waited on hand and foot by a bunch of lean and attractive male thralls would be pretty damn epic.</p><p></p><p>I think it's an interesting debate, anyway, because on the flip side such art can make women feel uncomfortable. Objectification is for sure a thing. Where is the line? Is there a happy medium? I dunno.</p><p></p><p>I tend to take the side that sexuality is healthy, and bodies aren't things that we should be ashamed of. I also, however, wouldn't ever want women to feel uncomfortable in this awesome hobby. So in a lot of words I'm basically saying I have no idea what's right.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patrick McGill, post: 6596981, member: 6749334"] I think the art did a fantastic job of creating evocative experiences, which I think is the ultimate goal. The art makes me think, and gets my juices flowing. The diversity of the art is a major player in that. That scimitar wielding dude in the front of the PHB? I wanted to be him immediately. I think the diversity isn't there to meet some kind of "agenda" (what agenda would that be, anyway?), it's there because the developers wanted to show how diverse the fantasy dreamlands of D&D are. Diversity is strength, and I think the diverse art has helped the new edition a ton. Me, personally, I prefer realism in my fantasy art (hah). I'm not down with chainmail bikinis and all that. The older lady in the full plate featured in a few of the pieces is probably my favorite character out of the ones shown in the art. She looks experienced and intelligent, the sort of tactical fighter or paladin that I enjoy playing. However, I don't think skimpy art is bad. Some people like chainmail bikinis. In fact, out of the people I know, the ones who like that sort of art tend to be women (I know quite a few women who are in love with those new Red Sonja comic covers). And it's fine. I think the art should cater to everyone. I wouldn't care if some of the art was titillating towards men or women (buff vikings or senpai batmen) at all. Fantasy art has a long history of bordering on the erotic. Much of this is creepy male "gaze" obviously, put in because sex sells, but for other people it's part of the subversion of societal norms, a reaction to puritanism and conservatism. I think the same about power fantasies. I don't think thats unhealthy either. The swole Conan, crushing his enemies to dust beneath his bare feet, screaming to the sky with his blooded axes held aloft. I like that. That's sword and sorcery to me, and I don't find it bad at all. I do think there needs to be more female power fantasy, however. A lot of that sort of art-with-heavy-metal-riffs is definitely male oriented. I wonder if the Red Sonja comics count? I think a full page art spread of a Red Sonja like character, leaning back on a throne of skulls and leopard skins idly inspecting a huge greatsword, being waited on hand and foot by a bunch of lean and attractive male thralls would be pretty damn epic. I think it's an interesting debate, anyway, because on the flip side such art can make women feel uncomfortable. Objectification is for sure a thing. Where is the line? Is there a happy medium? I dunno. I tend to take the side that sexuality is healthy, and bodies aren't things that we should be ashamed of. I also, however, wouldn't ever want women to feel uncomfortable in this awesome hobby. So in a lot of words I'm basically saying I have no idea what's right. [/QUOTE]
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