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<blockquote data-quote="Grainger" data-source="post: 6597015" data-attributes="member: 6779234"><p>Personally I find all the bare-chested barbarian stuff really, really naff, and the chainmail bikini stuff likewise. Likewise anything vaguely "heavy metal". I just find it stupid, pure and simple, and I'm glad to see the back of it. That's just personally speaking; I don't claim this is an objective truth - just personal taste. I found it naff 25 years ago, and it just seems even more cringe-worthy now.</p><p></p><p>Moving on to the subject of erotic fantasy art, there's nothing wrong with it, but I'm not sure I want to see it in the PHB, and I think the real issue anyway is one of representation - I certainly wouldn't want a PHB where most of images of female characters are of the "glamour model" variety. To give an example of the sorry state of affairs in general, and of how the PHB is better than the general level of female representation in fantasy art, one of my players has a female fighter, and she was looking for images of practically-armoured female warriors. She found a decent one eventually, but it was far harder than it should have been. If I google image search "female warrior" which is hardly an erotically-loaded term (and I have safesearch on, I hasten to add), the overwhelming majority of the images are of the chainmail bikini/cleavage variety, and/or in glamour model poses. To me, it's immaterial whether men or women created or like these images; it's a pretty sorry state of affairs in my view, and in this regard the PHB certainly does a lot better than the general internet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Grainger, post: 6597015, member: 6779234"] Personally I find all the bare-chested barbarian stuff really, really naff, and the chainmail bikini stuff likewise. Likewise anything vaguely "heavy metal". I just find it stupid, pure and simple, and I'm glad to see the back of it. That's just personally speaking; I don't claim this is an objective truth - just personal taste. I found it naff 25 years ago, and it just seems even more cringe-worthy now. Moving on to the subject of erotic fantasy art, there's nothing wrong with it, but I'm not sure I want to see it in the PHB, and I think the real issue anyway is one of representation - I certainly wouldn't want a PHB where most of images of female characters are of the "glamour model" variety. To give an example of the sorry state of affairs in general, and of how the PHB is better than the general level of female representation in fantasy art, one of my players has a female fighter, and she was looking for images of practically-armoured female warriors. She found a decent one eventually, but it was far harder than it should have been. If I google image search "female warrior" which is hardly an erotically-loaded term (and I have safesearch on, I hasten to add), the overwhelming majority of the images are of the chainmail bikini/cleavage variety, and/or in glamour model poses. To me, it's immaterial whether men or women created or like these images; it's a pretty sorry state of affairs in my view, and in this regard the PHB certainly does a lot better than the general internet. [/QUOTE]
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