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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6233850" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>My quick math suggested that the bare minimum AC should be Level + 14. As in, a 1st level character should be walking around with AC 15, minimum. (Hint: Fighters shouldn't be "minimum".)</p><p></p><p>Most melee type monsters have a BAB base about the same as their CR, and bonuses from Strength and/or Dex are commonly +4 or so. This may go up a bit when you get to the heavy hitters, but they in turn often suffer a size penalty. </p><p></p><p>Note, when I say "Level +14 as a base", I'm not saying that this is what your Fighter ACs should be. No, this is where your Rogues, Bards and Wizards should be, as a minimum. Front line types with that AC are lunch meat. </p><p></p><p>Our Ranger friend was at Level + 7, hence his nickname of "Target". He took it in the teeth every time he got into melee. At 35 AC he's still going to get hit, but now he's more in the 50/50 range, and less in the "Anything but a 1" category. </p><p></p><p>By your math a 1st level PC should consider AC 26 the bare minimum. Most DM's that I know whould wonder how the hell you got an AC 26 at 1st level. </p><p></p><p>As for the Druid cross class: I'm not sure I understand your question. I described the Ranger's advancement, and his decision to follow in the ways of his dead Druid friend. You said that was fine, but then asked why he decided to become a Druid. </p><p></p><p>I'm thinking one of us missed something.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6233850, member: 6669384"] My quick math suggested that the bare minimum AC should be Level + 14. As in, a 1st level character should be walking around with AC 15, minimum. (Hint: Fighters shouldn't be "minimum".) Most melee type monsters have a BAB base about the same as their CR, and bonuses from Strength and/or Dex are commonly +4 or so. This may go up a bit when you get to the heavy hitters, but they in turn often suffer a size penalty. Note, when I say "Level +14 as a base", I'm not saying that this is what your Fighter ACs should be. No, this is where your Rogues, Bards and Wizards should be, as a minimum. Front line types with that AC are lunch meat. Our Ranger friend was at Level + 7, hence his nickname of "Target". He took it in the teeth every time he got into melee. At 35 AC he's still going to get hit, but now he's more in the 50/50 range, and less in the "Anything but a 1" category. By your math a 1st level PC should consider AC 26 the bare minimum. Most DM's that I know whould wonder how the hell you got an AC 26 at 1st level. As for the Druid cross class: I'm not sure I understand your question. I described the Ranger's advancement, and his decision to follow in the ways of his dead Druid friend. You said that was fine, but then asked why he decided to become a Druid. I'm thinking one of us missed something. [/QUOTE]
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