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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6236417" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>After reading through the rules, I can't find "Enhancement bonus" as a separate and distinct thing when it comes to AC.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, it's tracked separately for stats because some things count only actual ability mod, not the enhanced one. Int mod to new skills is a clear example of this.</p><p></p><p>Beyond that, I'm not seeing it.</p><p></p><p>According to some of the arguments presented, my Dastana +4 and my Mithral Chain +2 should pseudo-stack. That is, I'd get the +5 from Chain Mail, the +1 from Dastana, and the +4 Enhancement from the Dastana, but not the +2 enhancement on the chain. And, not to mock anyone, but that sounds crazy.</p><p></p><p>The reasonin? Dastana have a base +1 that stacks with other armors. The Chain has +5. If the Enhancement bonuses are a separate bonus type and can't stack, I should get the better of the two, right? So 5 + 1 + 4 = 10?</p><p></p><p>Read normally, of course, if the magic on the Dastana doesn't stack, then we have +7 (Chain +2) +1 (Dastana without the non-stacking Enhancement), for a total of +8.</p><p></p><p>Read even more normally, we'd have +7 (Chain +2) plus 5 (Dastana +4) for a total of +12. And I say "more normally" because Dastana specifically say they stack with other armors.</p><p></p><p>Unless otherwise noted, shield bonuses don't stack with shield bonuses. Armor bonuses don't stack with armor bonuses. Magical natural armor bonuses don't stack with magical natural armor bonuses. (That sounds funny when you say it <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> ). Deflection bonuses don't stack with deflection bonuses, etc.</p><p></p><p>Enhancements to any of those seem to simply increase that armor, shield, deflection or natural armor bonuses, but "Enhancement bonus" isn't a thing unto itself as far as I can see.</p><p></p><p>If someone wants to disagree, could they please provide a book and page reference, or a cut-and-paste from the SRD, that says AC Enhancement bonus is a separate thing from Armor, Shield, Etc bonuses?</p><p></p><p>I mean, I'm not the top rules expert here, and I freely admit that my book knowledge is far from perfect, but according to everything I can find, "Enhancement" just counts as more points on whatever item is being enhanced, and the stack/no-stack is based on the item or spell in question.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6236417, member: 6669384"] After reading through the rules, I can't find "Enhancement bonus" as a separate and distinct thing when it comes to AC. Yeah, it's tracked separately for stats because some things count only actual ability mod, not the enhanced one. Int mod to new skills is a clear example of this. Beyond that, I'm not seeing it. According to some of the arguments presented, my Dastana +4 and my Mithral Chain +2 should pseudo-stack. That is, I'd get the +5 from Chain Mail, the +1 from Dastana, and the +4 Enhancement from the Dastana, but not the +2 enhancement on the chain. And, not to mock anyone, but that sounds crazy. The reasonin? Dastana have a base +1 that stacks with other armors. The Chain has +5. If the Enhancement bonuses are a separate bonus type and can't stack, I should get the better of the two, right? So 5 + 1 + 4 = 10? Read normally, of course, if the magic on the Dastana doesn't stack, then we have +7 (Chain +2) +1 (Dastana without the non-stacking Enhancement), for a total of +8. Read even more normally, we'd have +7 (Chain +2) plus 5 (Dastana +4) for a total of +12. And I say "more normally" because Dastana specifically say they stack with other armors. Unless otherwise noted, shield bonuses don't stack with shield bonuses. Armor bonuses don't stack with armor bonuses. Magical natural armor bonuses don't stack with magical natural armor bonuses. (That sounds funny when you say it :) ). Deflection bonuses don't stack with deflection bonuses, etc. Enhancements to any of those seem to simply increase that armor, shield, deflection or natural armor bonuses, but "Enhancement bonus" isn't a thing unto itself as far as I can see. If someone wants to disagree, could they please provide a book and page reference, or a cut-and-paste from the SRD, that says AC Enhancement bonus is a separate thing from Armor, Shield, Etc bonuses? I mean, I'm not the top rules expert here, and I freely admit that my book knowledge is far from perfect, but according to everything I can find, "Enhancement" just counts as more points on whatever item is being enhanced, and the stack/no-stack is based on the item or spell in question. [/QUOTE]
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