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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7770578" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>First, I don't agree with the claim that Bill Maher is a comedian, nor do I think he was trying to be funny. Bill Maher is a person who uses the cover of comedy as an excuse for a variety of mean spirited attacks. He's a critic who, if he crosses a line, can always retreat to, "It was just a joke." To me this puts him more in the category of professional troll than comedian.</p><p></p><p>Fans of comic books are only the most recent in the long list of "persons Bill Maher doesn't like". One should hardly be surprised to find oneself in that group. Nor do I think Bill Maher is trying to be funny, in the sense that "trying to be funny" to me implies at least a sort of gentle mockery, where as Bill Maher is simply scornful and insulting - things I don't find funny. Bill Maher isn't trying to be funny. He's trying to be scathing. He's trying to insult something so that people will feel embarrassed to be the object of his mockery. I think a term like "trying to be funny" shouldn't be conflated with that.</p><p></p><p>(Side note, I believe that there are (at least) two sorts of humor. One sort of humor is based off mocking a target and trying to persuade your audience to mock it with you, because they perceive the target as being different to them and thus worthy of scorn. The other sort of humor is based off mocking yourself (or even your audience), and tries to persuade your target to have sympathy for you (or themselves), because they see your self-critique as also applying to them. One produces derision and division. The other produces tolerance and good will. Guess which type Bill Maher is known for.)</p><p></p><p>I'm not 'too serious'. I love geek humor. I thought 'Gamers II: Dorkness Rising' was hilarious. I'll be happy to tell you jokes about myself, including my excessive passion for things that aren't very meaningful. ("Did I ever tell you about the time I camped out to buy tickets to see 'The Phantom Menace'? Wasn't that completely worth it?") But there is a difference between someone who passionately loves the thing he is mocking, and wants to poke fun of it in a self-deprecating but complex way, and simple acts of scorn.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7770578, member: 4937"] First, I don't agree with the claim that Bill Maher is a comedian, nor do I think he was trying to be funny. Bill Maher is a person who uses the cover of comedy as an excuse for a variety of mean spirited attacks. He's a critic who, if he crosses a line, can always retreat to, "It was just a joke." To me this puts him more in the category of professional troll than comedian. Fans of comic books are only the most recent in the long list of "persons Bill Maher doesn't like". One should hardly be surprised to find oneself in that group. Nor do I think Bill Maher is trying to be funny, in the sense that "trying to be funny" to me implies at least a sort of gentle mockery, where as Bill Maher is simply scornful and insulting - things I don't find funny. Bill Maher isn't trying to be funny. He's trying to be scathing. He's trying to insult something so that people will feel embarrassed to be the object of his mockery. I think a term like "trying to be funny" shouldn't be conflated with that. (Side note, I believe that there are (at least) two sorts of humor. One sort of humor is based off mocking a target and trying to persuade your audience to mock it with you, because they perceive the target as being different to them and thus worthy of scorn. The other sort of humor is based off mocking yourself (or even your audience), and tries to persuade your target to have sympathy for you (or themselves), because they see your self-critique as also applying to them. One produces derision and division. The other produces tolerance and good will. Guess which type Bill Maher is known for.) I'm not 'too serious'. I love geek humor. I thought 'Gamers II: Dorkness Rising' was hilarious. I'll be happy to tell you jokes about myself, including my excessive passion for things that aren't very meaningful. ("Did I ever tell you about the time I camped out to buy tickets to see 'The Phantom Menace'? Wasn't that completely worth it?") But there is a difference between someone who passionately loves the thing he is mocking, and wants to poke fun of it in a self-deprecating but complex way, and simple acts of scorn. [/QUOTE]
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