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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 7374450" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>I believe that BookBarbarian was referring to the Versatile property of weapons not being used because they are already strong as single-handed but weak as two-handed because they lose the use of a shield, but don't compare well to dedicated two-handed weapons.</p><p></p><p> 5e definition of a longsword already covers the arming sword, falchion, dao, many sabres, bastard sword, macahuitl, 'Viking sword' etc. </p><p>Some examples are optimised towards two-handed use, and some are built for mostly one-handed use, but 5e isn't really granular enough to pick out that level of distinction. </p><p>The 'arming sword' isn't heavy, but it still has appreciable weight, and requires strength of both shoulder and forearm to use with speed and control. It was also used two-handed fairly regularly in halfsword techniques when a bit of extra oomph was required and a shield wasn't used. - To me, that puts it squarely in '5e Longsword' territory. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The 5e definitions of Finesse and Versatile don't really make sense together. The point about putting two hands on a weapon is to improve control and power though increased leverage. Finesse weapons do not require leverage since that is a function of strength.</p><p>If you want to have a finesse version of the katana, just give it the stats of the scimitar - which it already quite closely resembles physically.</p><p></p><p> 4. Leave as is. Elves get standard Longsword proficiency. </p><p>(I tend to swap the weapon proficiencies around anyway, since in Eberron, one of the major elven nations tend to emphasise scimitars and shortbows, and the other elven subrace; the drow go for blowguns, boomerangs, and long knives rather than the traditional elven weapons.)</p><p></p><p> I'd suggest almost the exact opposite: a punch is about the least Finesse (in 5e D&D terms at least) weapon around. Its effect is almost entirely dependent upon the pure force it delivers, even when it strikes the few well-guarded areas on the body that are more vulnerable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 7374450, member: 6802951"] I believe that BookBarbarian was referring to the Versatile property of weapons not being used because they are already strong as single-handed but weak as two-handed because they lose the use of a shield, but don't compare well to dedicated two-handed weapons. 5e definition of a longsword already covers the arming sword, falchion, dao, many sabres, bastard sword, macahuitl, 'Viking sword' etc. Some examples are optimised towards two-handed use, and some are built for mostly one-handed use, but 5e isn't really granular enough to pick out that level of distinction. The 'arming sword' isn't heavy, but it still has appreciable weight, and requires strength of both shoulder and forearm to use with speed and control. It was also used two-handed fairly regularly in halfsword techniques when a bit of extra oomph was required and a shield wasn't used. - To me, that puts it squarely in '5e Longsword' territory. The 5e definitions of Finesse and Versatile don't really make sense together. The point about putting two hands on a weapon is to improve control and power though increased leverage. Finesse weapons do not require leverage since that is a function of strength. If you want to have a finesse version of the katana, just give it the stats of the scimitar - which it already quite closely resembles physically. 4. Leave as is. Elves get standard Longsword proficiency. (I tend to swap the weapon proficiencies around anyway, since in Eberron, one of the major elven nations tend to emphasise scimitars and shortbows, and the other elven subrace; the drow go for blowguns, boomerangs, and long knives rather than the traditional elven weapons.) I'd suggest almost the exact opposite: a punch is about the least Finesse (in 5e D&D terms at least) weapon around. Its effect is almost entirely dependent upon the pure force it delivers, even when it strikes the few well-guarded areas on the body that are more vulnerable. [/QUOTE]
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