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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8693157" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>the comics are... but the shows are new and ongoing. to the public at large that didn't read them (where I would suggest reading invincible, I will NEVER suggest anyone read the boys) so modern mindsets are a bit disconnected. What is old hat to comic readers is new to the movie goers (like multiverses... DC was doing that in the 70;s and blew up there multiverse in 85 before I even started reading, but CW shows and Doctor Strange are making it more mainstream).</p><p></p><p>I can see where you are going with this but I see Dark Knight Returns in BvS/JL movies and the animated adaption is only a few years old... realistically people who are not comic fans are coming to these ideas now not then</p><p></p><p>this is the meat of the question... but we have a Black Adam trailer (that made me laugh) where Hawkman says "We have heroes and villians and heroes don't kill" and as funny as that is in a movie (how many superhero movies' can you name that didn't have the hero direct or indirect kill the villain... not even 33% I would bet) in D&D that sentiment would be crazy. Can you remember the last campaign (not single session) where no PC killed anything?</p><p></p><p>I was going to use that example too but my spell check doesn't do nice things with his name.</p><p></p><p>but that one I didn't think of.. but great example</p><p></p><p>yup that is my feeling too</p><p></p><p>the idea that brought this up (and has been more or less scrapped/back burnered) was to have big adventure NPCs that PCs would hear great tales and songs of... but when they met them they are jerks or worse...and turn out to be the BBEG of the campaign when it turns out they are just self serving... but that twist works in a JLA parody but not so much in D&D. If I told you elminster is sleeping with 12 women a week drinking to excess and smoking something other then tabaccoo would anyone even react?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8693157, member: 67338"] the comics are... but the shows are new and ongoing. to the public at large that didn't read them (where I would suggest reading invincible, I will NEVER suggest anyone read the boys) so modern mindsets are a bit disconnected. What is old hat to comic readers is new to the movie goers (like multiverses... DC was doing that in the 70;s and blew up there multiverse in 85 before I even started reading, but CW shows and Doctor Strange are making it more mainstream). I can see where you are going with this but I see Dark Knight Returns in BvS/JL movies and the animated adaption is only a few years old... realistically people who are not comic fans are coming to these ideas now not then this is the meat of the question... but we have a Black Adam trailer (that made me laugh) where Hawkman says "We have heroes and villians and heroes don't kill" and as funny as that is in a movie (how many superhero movies' can you name that didn't have the hero direct or indirect kill the villain... not even 33% I would bet) in D&D that sentiment would be crazy. Can you remember the last campaign (not single session) where no PC killed anything? I was going to use that example too but my spell check doesn't do nice things with his name. but that one I didn't think of.. but great example yup that is my feeling too the idea that brought this up (and has been more or less scrapped/back burnered) was to have big adventure NPCs that PCs would hear great tales and songs of... but when they met them they are jerks or worse...and turn out to be the BBEG of the campaign when it turns out they are just self serving... but that twist works in a JLA parody but not so much in D&D. If I told you elminster is sleeping with 12 women a week drinking to excess and smoking something other then tabaccoo would anyone even react? [/QUOTE]
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