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[The Club Dumas] Can you crack this Latin code?
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<blockquote data-quote="tarchon" data-source="post: 1771042" data-attributes="member: 5990"><p>Several aren't quite right.</p><p>One problem with <em>Claus. pat.t</em> would be that it's ambiguous. Could mean closed things are open, closed things will be open, a closed thing will be open, closed [gates] are open, let closed things be open, etc. The translation is also wrong. <em>Pateo</em> is intransitive, meaning "to be open" (compare "to gape" in English). If I say <em>X patet</em> that means "X is open." To say "Y opens X" requires an entirely different verb, usually <em>aperio</em>. "They open that which is closed" would be <em>clausas aperiunt</em> (or literally <em>aperiunt quae clausae [sunt]</em>) , assuming the "thats" are gates (portae). A more subtle aspect is that <em>pateo</em> is stative so it can only indicate that the closed things are open a particular time. It can't indicate that anything is in the process of opening, for which you need its inceptive cousin <em>patesco</em> or a passive of <em>aperio</em>.</p><p></p><p>clausae patesсunt - closed things are opening</p><p>clausae patent - closed things are open</p><p>clausas aperiunt - they are opening or they open closed things</p><p></p><p>Also, the conventional way to abbreviate it would be more like <em>clausae pate~</em> or possibly something like <em>clau~ pat~</em> if it were a well known formula. Something like <em>Jas Smith f Joh ob aet XIX an rip</em> wouldn't be unusual on a tombstone. However, when writing out the terms of your pact with Satan with regard to the exact number of virgins involved, you probably are better off not sparing the ink... or blood anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tarchon, post: 1771042, member: 5990"] Several aren't quite right. One problem with [i]Claus. pat.t[/i] would be that it's ambiguous. Could mean closed things are open, closed things will be open, a closed thing will be open, closed [gates] are open, let closed things be open, etc. The translation is also wrong. [i]Pateo[/i] is intransitive, meaning "to be open" (compare "to gape" in English). If I say [i]X patet[/i] that means "X is open." To say "Y opens X" requires an entirely different verb, usually [i]aperio[/i]. "They open that which is closed" would be [i]clausas aperiunt[/i] (or literally [i]aperiunt quae clausae [sunt][/i]) , assuming the "thats" are gates (portae). A more subtle aspect is that [i]pateo[/i] is stative so it can only indicate that the closed things are open a particular time. It can't indicate that anything is in the process of opening, for which you need its inceptive cousin [i]patesco[/i] or a passive of [i]aperio[/i]. clausae patesсunt - closed things are opening clausae patent - closed things are open clausas aperiunt - they are opening or they open closed things Also, the conventional way to abbreviate it would be more like [i]clausae pate~[/i] or possibly something like [i]clau~ pat~[/i] if it were a well known formula. Something like [i]Jas Smith f Joh ob aet XIX an rip[/i] wouldn't be unusual on a tombstone. However, when writing out the terms of your pact with Satan with regard to the exact number of virgins involved, you probably are better off not sparing the ink... or blood anyway. [/QUOTE]
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