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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 5960231" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>A couple of things:</p><p></p><p>1) If your 4e DM is regularly opposing your 30th level characters with "walls that must be climbed" as the challenges, you need a new DM - he's doing it wrong.</p><p></p><p>2) In 3e, this was all-too-frequently handled by outright blocking those built-in countermeasures. So, the challenge would end up taking place in a dead magic zone, or there would be some sort of backlash, or... (IOW, for those DMs who didn't want that category of challenges to "go away" then the game had built-in countermeasures.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Unification is impossible because large numbers of players have jumped ship to Paizo, Paizo have <em>earned</em> a great deal of customer loyalty, and so those customers won't be back in any large numbers. Now, if WotC could persuade Paizo to drop Pathfinder in favour of 5e, things would be different, but Paizo would be <em><strong>insane</strong></em> to do that.</p><p></p><p>Unification is impossible because in order to attract old-school players, WotC will have to make changes to the game that 4e fans will hate, or will see as insulting, or... So they'll lose a part of their existing customer base and pick up some of the old-school players, but they'll not get unification, or close to it.</p><p></p><p>Unification is impossible because a large number of old-edition players are perfectly happy with their game of choice and won't even bother looking at 5e - in the worst cases, they'll see it as just another bloated WotC parody of the 'real' game.</p><p></p><p>Fortunately, while unification is a goal that WotC have publicly stated, the <em>real</em> goal is for 5e to do significantly better than 4e. Which is only <em>almost</em> impossible, not <em>actually</em> impossible. I still don't like their chances, but at least they do have a chance, however small.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 5960231, member: 22424"] A couple of things: 1) If your 4e DM is regularly opposing your 30th level characters with "walls that must be climbed" as the challenges, you need a new DM - he's doing it wrong. 2) In 3e, this was all-too-frequently handled by outright blocking those built-in countermeasures. So, the challenge would end up taking place in a dead magic zone, or there would be some sort of backlash, or... (IOW, for those DMs who didn't want that category of challenges to "go away" then the game had built-in countermeasures.) Unification is impossible because large numbers of players have jumped ship to Paizo, Paizo have [i]earned[/i] a great deal of customer loyalty, and so those customers won't be back in any large numbers. Now, if WotC could persuade Paizo to drop Pathfinder in favour of 5e, things would be different, but Paizo would be [i][b]insane[/b][/i] to do that. Unification is impossible because in order to attract old-school players, WotC will have to make changes to the game that 4e fans will hate, or will see as insulting, or... So they'll lose a part of their existing customer base and pick up some of the old-school players, but they'll not get unification, or close to it. Unification is impossible because a large number of old-edition players are perfectly happy with their game of choice and won't even bother looking at 5e - in the worst cases, they'll see it as just another bloated WotC parody of the 'real' game. Fortunately, while unification is a goal that WotC have publicly stated, the [i]real[/i] goal is for 5e to do significantly better than 4e. Which is only [i]almost[/i] impossible, not [i]actually[/i] impossible. I still don't like their chances, but at least they do have a chance, however small. [/QUOTE]
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