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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6354725" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>It means your modifiers total +15. You might be 10 STR, trained, and 20th level in 4e, or 20 STR with 10 ranks (and at least 6th level, but possibly much higher in 3e). It means you're not playing AD&D, where your character might have an 85% climb walls percentage /and/ a non-weapon proficiency that lets him roll under his 14 STR to climb, or 5e, where you top out at +11, regardless.</p><p></p><p> Since merchants rarely train in Athletics/climg. In 3e or 5e, his STR mod. In 4e his STR mod + 1/2 his level. In AD&D, undefined - unless he has a class, non-weapon proficiency, or arbitrarily-assigned by the DM special ability, since NPCs could sometimes just be a few numbers and equivalancies jumbled together (Uras the Spectacular has 60 hps, attacks as a 4th level fighter, saves as 13th level thief, and can cast Chariot of Sustare 1/year - why? Because I'm the DM and I said so.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Honestly, that's absurd. You choose your character's race, that's an in-game thing that is determined by an out-of-game factor (you absolutely cannot choose your parents!). That's just one example. You're just being selective in what you let freak you out.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6354725, member: 996"] It means your modifiers total +15. You might be 10 STR, trained, and 20th level in 4e, or 20 STR with 10 ranks (and at least 6th level, but possibly much higher in 3e). It means you're not playing AD&D, where your character might have an 85% climb walls percentage /and/ a non-weapon proficiency that lets him roll under his 14 STR to climb, or 5e, where you top out at +11, regardless. Since merchants rarely train in Athletics/climg. In 3e or 5e, his STR mod. In 4e his STR mod + 1/2 his level. In AD&D, undefined - unless he has a class, non-weapon proficiency, or arbitrarily-assigned by the DM special ability, since NPCs could sometimes just be a few numbers and equivalancies jumbled together (Uras the Spectacular has 60 hps, attacks as a 4th level fighter, saves as 13th level thief, and can cast Chariot of Sustare 1/year - why? Because I'm the DM and I said so.) Honestly, that's absurd. You choose your character's race, that's an in-game thing that is determined by an out-of-game factor (you absolutely cannot choose your parents!). That's just one example. You're just being selective in what you let freak you out. [/QUOTE]
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