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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9238988" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>I linked to that thread when I said it, so that people could see the context for themselves. I do not think I misstated anything. You concluded differently, but you started your positives with calling her a hero. That's accurate. And so when he said nobody was trying to redeem her reputation, I thought it fair to say you were in fact attempting to redeem her reputation there. And I think that's a fair read of what you wrote, even including your conclusion. I mean, her reputation was negative right? And you were trying to change that view to be, at least, more neutral right? So how were you not trying to redeem her reputation? I think it's fair to say your bias concerning this topic is to try and redeem Williams' reputation to be more positive than it previously was, and that bias influences your approach to any discussion of her reputation including this claim about her keeping trophies.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've said nothing about Gygax one way or the other and I don't see how ones views of Gygax are relevant. All I said was there is a claim that Williams kept trophies of the people she fired, and the claim was backed by more than one alum of TSR, and that people I trust and who are themselves reputable included that as a relevant detail in the documentary they made about the hobby. </p><p></p><p>If your view of that claim is in some way hinged on your view of Gygax, I'd suggest it would be wise to detach it and look at the issue a second time.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you alleging that the filmmakers here are terrible, misogynistic, and passing around false rumors of Williams by repeating what they were told by these TSR alums about Williams keeping trophies of employees she fired or not? If it's not, then you appear to be suggesting it without saying it and you should correct it. If it is, then I'd say it would be time for them to be invited to this conversation to defend themselves. These are real people with a specific claim being made, not some vague "people" to be slandered on a message board to make a point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you suggesting James Lowder and Jon Peterson have ever said or implied Williams is "a bad fat woman?"</p><p></p><p>Come on man, you're responding to a specific thing with a generalization while trying to simultaneously claim you're not trying to redeem Williams' reputation. I think that was a tightrope you just fell off. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you saying the claim is false and James Lowder and Jon Peterson were taken in by people lying to them, or that James Lowder and Jon Peterson are the ones lying here?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 9238988, member: 2525"] I linked to that thread when I said it, so that people could see the context for themselves. I do not think I misstated anything. You concluded differently, but you started your positives with calling her a hero. That's accurate. And so when he said nobody was trying to redeem her reputation, I thought it fair to say you were in fact attempting to redeem her reputation there. And I think that's a fair read of what you wrote, even including your conclusion. I mean, her reputation was negative right? And you were trying to change that view to be, at least, more neutral right? So how were you not trying to redeem her reputation? I think it's fair to say your bias concerning this topic is to try and redeem Williams' reputation to be more positive than it previously was, and that bias influences your approach to any discussion of her reputation including this claim about her keeping trophies. I've said nothing about Gygax one way or the other and I don't see how ones views of Gygax are relevant. All I said was there is a claim that Williams kept trophies of the people she fired, and the claim was backed by more than one alum of TSR, and that people I trust and who are themselves reputable included that as a relevant detail in the documentary they made about the hobby. If your view of that claim is in some way hinged on your view of Gygax, I'd suggest it would be wise to detach it and look at the issue a second time. Are you alleging that the filmmakers here are terrible, misogynistic, and passing around false rumors of Williams by repeating what they were told by these TSR alums about Williams keeping trophies of employees she fired or not? If it's not, then you appear to be suggesting it without saying it and you should correct it. If it is, then I'd say it would be time for them to be invited to this conversation to defend themselves. These are real people with a specific claim being made, not some vague "people" to be slandered on a message board to make a point. Are you suggesting James Lowder and Jon Peterson have ever said or implied Williams is "a bad fat woman?" Come on man, you're responding to a specific thing with a generalization while trying to simultaneously claim you're not trying to redeem Williams' reputation. I think that was a tightrope you just fell off. Are you saying the claim is false and James Lowder and Jon Peterson were taken in by people lying to them, or that James Lowder and Jon Peterson are the ones lying here? [/QUOTE]
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