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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9239143" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>I take it neither of us have actually seen the documentary, so maybe there is more there than in the description we have been given. But that did not sound like eyewitness testimony. It sounded like the documentarians citing sources. Are those sources specifically identified? What, exactly, did they see? What were these trophies? Are the sources interviewed in the documentary explaining what they saw? There is a lot of missing context.</p><p></p><p>We have a story from one person that sounds made up - maybe by him, maybe by Williams as a weird flex, maybe just through the usual game of office grapevine. Who knows? And then we have a separate but related claim that <em>thus far</em> seems unsupported by anything verifiable.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Are the sources identified? Are they confirming that they heard a rumour, or confirming that they saw something with their own eyes? Are they in collusion? How credible are they? Do they have a motive that could affect their truthfulness one way or the other? How recent was the event?</p><p></p><p>I am referring interviews from <em>Slaying the Dragon</em>. You don't need a second source to confirm that someone said something when they are interviewed for the record, and when that something is a personal feeling, it doesn't need corroboration.</p><p></p><p>"I personally preferred working for A over working for B": does not need further verification.</p><p></p><p>"Person A is so terrible that they kept trophies of those they fired": needs further verification. In this case, I would want strong verification because it is a pretty damning indictment, of a person who has a history of being unfairly villainized. My skepticism towards claims about Lorraine Williams being the worst person ever is very high.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what you are referring to. I used to believe that Lorraine Williams was the terrible person she was reputed to be. But the more I have learned about the situation, from reading books and interviews with people willing to go on the record, the more I think that she was a difficult person in a difficult position. And I know for a fact that many of the attacks on her are viciously misogynistic and unfair.</p><p></p><p>I do demand the same evidence for my own beliefs. Can you cite the example to which you are referring where I don't do this, as I am very unclear on what you are referring to? As I specifically stated, at the start, I generally ignore character attacks that are based on rumours.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9239143, member: 7035894"] I take it neither of us have actually seen the documentary, so maybe there is more there than in the description we have been given. But that did not sound like eyewitness testimony. It sounded like the documentarians citing sources. Are those sources specifically identified? What, exactly, did they see? What were these trophies? Are the sources interviewed in the documentary explaining what they saw? There is a lot of missing context. We have a story from one person that sounds made up - maybe by him, maybe by Williams as a weird flex, maybe just through the usual game of office grapevine. Who knows? And then we have a separate but related claim that [I]thus far[/I] seems unsupported by anything verifiable. Are the sources identified? Are they confirming that they heard a rumour, or confirming that they saw something with their own eyes? Are they in collusion? How credible are they? Do they have a motive that could affect their truthfulness one way or the other? How recent was the event? I am referring interviews from [I]Slaying the Dragon[/I]. You don't need a second source to confirm that someone said something when they are interviewed for the record, and when that something is a personal feeling, it doesn't need corroboration. "I personally preferred working for A over working for B": does not need further verification. "Person A is so terrible that they kept trophies of those they fired": needs further verification. In this case, I would want strong verification because it is a pretty damning indictment, of a person who has a history of being unfairly villainized. My skepticism towards claims about Lorraine Williams being the worst person ever is very high. I'm not sure what you are referring to. I used to believe that Lorraine Williams was the terrible person she was reputed to be. But the more I have learned about the situation, from reading books and interviews with people willing to go on the record, the more I think that she was a difficult person in a difficult position. And I know for a fact that many of the attacks on her are viciously misogynistic and unfair. I do demand the same evidence for my own beliefs. Can you cite the example to which you are referring where I don't do this, as I am very unclear on what you are referring to? As I specifically stated, at the start, I generally ignore character attacks that are based on rumours. [/QUOTE]
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