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<blockquote data-quote="bhandelman" data-source="post: 5761264" data-attributes="member: 99667"><p>Then you must not have read the rules for the earliest edition, which suggested you use Chainmail to act out combat, or you have the same memory problem a lot of people here do.</p><p></p><p>4e is different than previous editions, as was 3e. I remember reading all the arguments back in 2000 about how 3e was just emulating Diablo, was too combat focused, etc etc etc. How many times did you see "The best RPG session I ever played in we never threw a single die" statement pop out? Remember the hate the Sorcerer class got? Or that Half-Orcs were now a default race?</p><p></p><p>I know this is the internet, and we like to forget anything before the recent past, but almost every argument I see thrown against 4e I saw 12 years ago. Thanks to Google Groups, I can show you posts from August of 2000 on rec.games.frp.dnd that go on and on about all the same things. The only difference now is because of the OGL, 4e has to compete with a previous system that is still supported. The closest thing to Pathfinder back then was Hackmaster, which was mostly a parody product to begin with, so you didn't have the same level of problem competing with a previous edition.</p><p></p><p>I understand people that don't prefer 4e. It is different in a lot of ways, and when you get invested in a game you are perfectly happy with you don't want to change it, but please stop making statements like "4e isn't DnD". 4e isn't how YOU like to play DnD, and that's fine, but there are lots of people who do like it. Making snide remarks about those fans doesn't make things any better and just helps further divide things. If I can play a game of 4e at my local hobby store at a table next to a group of Pathfinder players who are next to a table of WHFRP while someone else may be playing Dragon Age and no one is fighting or arguing or bragging how much better their system is, then I don't understand why people on these message boards can't do the same.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bhandelman, post: 5761264, member: 99667"] Then you must not have read the rules for the earliest edition, which suggested you use Chainmail to act out combat, or you have the same memory problem a lot of people here do. 4e is different than previous editions, as was 3e. I remember reading all the arguments back in 2000 about how 3e was just emulating Diablo, was too combat focused, etc etc etc. How many times did you see "The best RPG session I ever played in we never threw a single die" statement pop out? Remember the hate the Sorcerer class got? Or that Half-Orcs were now a default race? I know this is the internet, and we like to forget anything before the recent past, but almost every argument I see thrown against 4e I saw 12 years ago. Thanks to Google Groups, I can show you posts from August of 2000 on rec.games.frp.dnd that go on and on about all the same things. The only difference now is because of the OGL, 4e has to compete with a previous system that is still supported. The closest thing to Pathfinder back then was Hackmaster, which was mostly a parody product to begin with, so you didn't have the same level of problem competing with a previous edition. I understand people that don't prefer 4e. It is different in a lot of ways, and when you get invested in a game you are perfectly happy with you don't want to change it, but please stop making statements like "4e isn't DnD". 4e isn't how YOU like to play DnD, and that's fine, but there are lots of people who do like it. Making snide remarks about those fans doesn't make things any better and just helps further divide things. If I can play a game of 4e at my local hobby store at a table next to a group of Pathfinder players who are next to a table of WHFRP while someone else may be playing Dragon Age and no one is fighting or arguing or bragging how much better their system is, then I don't understand why people on these message boards can't do the same. [/QUOTE]
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