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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7246354" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>The priority of wanting a fighter is at odds with the priority of 'good at the social pillar' because CHA makes you good (well, not as bad) at the social pillar, but it has no synergy with the fighter's class abilities, which provide you virtually nothing in the social pillar, to begin with. </p><p>OTOH, if you were willing to get a little bit religious, you could gain a lot of perks for having a high CHA as a Paladin, and have very similar abilities to the Fighter.</p><p></p><p>Given the standard array, you could always put your second-highest - 14 - in CHA. So you're not sacrificing your primary, just your secondary (probably CON). </p><p></p><p>...well, and whatever you dump instead of CHA (DEX? INT? WIS?)...</p><p></p><p>OTOH, if you rolled an 18 and a bunch of 9-12s, ouch - or, alternately, two 18s! Sweet, CHA 18 fighter it is!</p><p></p><p> All of which synergize powerfully with maximizing your attack & damage bonuses. </p><p></p><p>It's really the same thinking you want a wizard who's startlingly good in melee. You could give him a high STR and a halberd, but he really won't eke much out of it, considering he's not even proficient. He could take the Soldier background, and now he can swing that weapon around, but the high STR just isn't benefitting him the way it is the fighter with all those features that act as a multiplier to it. Just like the fighter's high CHA isn't doing as much for him as the Paladin's. </p><p></p><p>I mean, or it would be the same thing if the wizard couldn't just go Bladesinger or even just Mountain Dwarf and do surprisingly well in melee - not /well/ like a fighter, but well enough to cover the concept at no great cost in wizardliness.</p><p></p><p> ...then you've already failed. ;P</p><p></p><p>It's like trying to maximize the flight envelope of your boat. No matter what you do, it'll only work at sea level. (OK, or on a high-altitude lake, sure, that totally makes it a plane ...damn, it's exactly like that!)</p><p></p><p> He's always seemed completely serious to me. </p><p></p><p> The elderly wizard certainly is. Gandalf, for instance. Elderly. Also wrestled a balrog. </p><p></p><p>And he was "...only a 5th level magic-user." ;P</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7246354, member: 996"] The priority of wanting a fighter is at odds with the priority of 'good at the social pillar' because CHA makes you good (well, not as bad) at the social pillar, but it has no synergy with the fighter's class abilities, which provide you virtually nothing in the social pillar, to begin with. OTOH, if you were willing to get a little bit religious, you could gain a lot of perks for having a high CHA as a Paladin, and have very similar abilities to the Fighter. Given the standard array, you could always put your second-highest - 14 - in CHA. So you're not sacrificing your primary, just your secondary (probably CON). ...well, and whatever you dump instead of CHA (DEX? INT? WIS?)... OTOH, if you rolled an 18 and a bunch of 9-12s, ouch - or, alternately, two 18s! Sweet, CHA 18 fighter it is! All of which synergize powerfully with maximizing your attack & damage bonuses. It's really the same thinking you want a wizard who's startlingly good in melee. You could give him a high STR and a halberd, but he really won't eke much out of it, considering he's not even proficient. He could take the Soldier background, and now he can swing that weapon around, but the high STR just isn't benefitting him the way it is the fighter with all those features that act as a multiplier to it. Just like the fighter's high CHA isn't doing as much for him as the Paladin's. I mean, or it would be the same thing if the wizard couldn't just go Bladesinger or even just Mountain Dwarf and do surprisingly well in melee - not /well/ like a fighter, but well enough to cover the concept at no great cost in wizardliness. ...then you've already failed. ;P It's like trying to maximize the flight envelope of your boat. No matter what you do, it'll only work at sea level. (OK, or on a high-altitude lake, sure, that totally makes it a plane ...damn, it's exactly like that!) He's always seemed completely serious to me. The elderly wizard certainly is. Gandalf, for instance. Elderly. Also wrestled a balrog. And he was "...only a 5th level magic-user." ;P [/QUOTE]
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