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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7246824" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>Because I enjoy reading and talking about optimization and as I said earlier, it's not that I have anything against it. I myself have optimized before, though mostly in 3e. That most of my players (and I play as a player in a different game that I don't DM as well) don't isn't really important to what I feel about it. I think you mistook my comments for not liking optimization (despite my making it clear I have no issues with it). But there is a reason I was the guy who brought over all the build guilds to this board when the WOTC boards were shutting down.</p><p></p><p>You know, gamists and casual players and story players can all play together and enjoy the game together. You don't all have to be the same to enjoy a game of D&D, as long as there is enough for everyone.</p><p></p><p>It's only the "there is only one way to play the game, and if you claim you play different than the one way then you're either a bad person or you just don't understand you are playing it this one way," attitude that gets to me. Which, in different ways, Saelorn and Tony Vargas each did. The first by claiming a fighter who raises his charisma is actively a bad player, and the later by claiming everyone optimizes. There is nothing wrong with being gamist, but not everyone is gamist, and not everyone must be gamist to be a "good" player at D&D.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7246824, member: 2525"] Because I enjoy reading and talking about optimization and as I said earlier, it's not that I have anything against it. I myself have optimized before, though mostly in 3e. That most of my players (and I play as a player in a different game that I don't DM as well) don't isn't really important to what I feel about it. I think you mistook my comments for not liking optimization (despite my making it clear I have no issues with it). But there is a reason I was the guy who brought over all the build guilds to this board when the WOTC boards were shutting down. You know, gamists and casual players and story players can all play together and enjoy the game together. You don't all have to be the same to enjoy a game of D&D, as long as there is enough for everyone. It's only the "there is only one way to play the game, and if you claim you play different than the one way then you're either a bad person or you just don't understand you are playing it this one way," attitude that gets to me. Which, in different ways, Saelorn and Tony Vargas each did. The first by claiming a fighter who raises his charisma is actively a bad player, and the later by claiming everyone optimizes. There is nothing wrong with being gamist, but not everyone is gamist, and not everyone must be gamist to be a "good" player at D&D. [/QUOTE]
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