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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7436678" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>"I don't think flavour depends on mechanical intricacies, does it?"</p><p></p><p>It depends on what you choose to define as flavor. </p><p></p><p>A lack of flavor can be felt if differences in weapons are homogenized down to equalize dpr over less trackable aspects.</p><p></p><p>Daggers and dual-wielding gives you always a melee weapon in hand and ranged weapon in hand and that creates options that double crossbows do not and greataxes do not. But, have we seen that codified into the how knife fighter sux dpr discussion in a dpr countable way? Nope... The dpr difference is "a problem" and one of the strategies dismissed by those focusing "on damage" in spite of the case that the daggers give you the possibility of more attacks depending on circumstances - or at least better attacks in some.</p><p></p><p>Difference that are harder to quantify tend to get less inclusion when games become more focused on quantifying balance by damage. </p><p></p><p>The "no absolutes" position is a symptom of that. </p><p></p><p>Fewer meaningful and thematic differences cost flavor but at the same time make quantification and oversimplification on misleading indicators like dpr easier.</p><p></p><p>And i will pass on the invite to system wars. If you dont share the observation or have a different perspective on it, thats fine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7436678, member: 6919838"] "I don't think flavour depends on mechanical intricacies, does it?" It depends on what you choose to define as flavor. A lack of flavor can be felt if differences in weapons are homogenized down to equalize dpr over less trackable aspects. Daggers and dual-wielding gives you always a melee weapon in hand and ranged weapon in hand and that creates options that double crossbows do not and greataxes do not. But, have we seen that codified into the how knife fighter sux dpr discussion in a dpr countable way? Nope... The dpr difference is "a problem" and one of the strategies dismissed by those focusing "on damage" in spite of the case that the daggers give you the possibility of more attacks depending on circumstances - or at least better attacks in some. Difference that are harder to quantify tend to get less inclusion when games become more focused on quantifying balance by damage. The "no absolutes" position is a symptom of that. Fewer meaningful and thematic differences cost flavor but at the same time make quantification and oversimplification on misleading indicators like dpr easier. And i will pass on the invite to system wars. If you dont share the observation or have a different perspective on it, thats fine. [/QUOTE]
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