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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7437741" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>I don't agree with the ranges for longbows in D&D; all I'm saying is that a knife in the back is less likely than a longbow at a reasonable distance.</p><p></p><p></p><p>True, there is no armor as powerful as plot armor.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you're over-estimating the capacity of a knife to kill someone. Nobody hunts deer with throwing knives and unless you get lucky a throwing knife probably wouldn't penetrate more than a few inches. But regardless, a knife does 2.5 points per hit and a longbow does 4.5. I think that's reasonable ... so not sure why you think there's a huge difference.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, this is just stupid "how do we justify melee characters in a world with guns" logic. My wife and I groan every time we see it. Certain shows <em>really</em> abuse it (CW's Arrow for example).</p><p></p><p></p><p>You may be, I certainly don't. I do remember certain Arnold S movies that were so over the top as to be groan-worthy. I don't want a game that's groan worthy. Or where someone can survive a nuclear blast in a refrigerator after being thrown a few miles.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't necessarily disagree, I just haven't seen the issue in games I play. If it really breaks the game for someone, it's easy to fix.</p><p></p><p>Which is my real issue with this argument. Don't like GWM and SS? Don't allow them. Or use one of the many, many tweaks others have suggested. Think feats or multi-classing lead to overpowered combos? Don't allow the optional rules.</p><p></p><p>D&D is a toolkit used to build a campaign. I think too much blame is placed on the tools when it's really the use of those tools that's the source of the problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7437741, member: 6801845"] I don't agree with the ranges for longbows in D&D; all I'm saying is that a knife in the back is less likely than a longbow at a reasonable distance. True, there is no armor as powerful as plot armor. I think you're over-estimating the capacity of a knife to kill someone. Nobody hunts deer with throwing knives and unless you get lucky a throwing knife probably wouldn't penetrate more than a few inches. But regardless, a knife does 2.5 points per hit and a longbow does 4.5. I think that's reasonable ... so not sure why you think there's a huge difference. Yeah, this is just stupid "how do we justify melee characters in a world with guns" logic. My wife and I groan every time we see it. Certain shows [I]really[/I] abuse it (CW's Arrow for example). You may be, I certainly don't. I do remember certain Arnold S movies that were so over the top as to be groan-worthy. I don't want a game that's groan worthy. Or where someone can survive a nuclear blast in a refrigerator after being thrown a few miles. I don't necessarily disagree, I just haven't seen the issue in games I play. If it really breaks the game for someone, it's easy to fix. Which is my real issue with this argument. Don't like GWM and SS? Don't allow them. Or use one of the many, many tweaks others have suggested. Think feats or multi-classing lead to overpowered combos? Don't allow the optional rules. D&D is a toolkit used to build a campaign. I think too much blame is placed on the tools when it's really the use of those tools that's the source of the problem. [/QUOTE]
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