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<blockquote data-quote="Warpiglet" data-source="post: 7438627" data-attributes="member: 6689161"><p>OK. If we take this analysis at face value we are hearing that AC and hit points matter. Maybe not as much in combat as DPR, but they matter.</p><p></p><p>Let me throw this out there. What about DISADVANTAGE?! Many of the spells that "force" fighters to take feats to keep up will be at disadvantage to hit. If you do not take feats as a caster, isn't THIS a balancing factor?</p><p></p><p>In 1e you would be unwise to travel as an M-U without fighters or at least retainers!</p><p></p><p>In the current game the damage that spellcasters do are often predicated on cover from a hard target OR Warcaster, etc.</p><p></p><p>The argument in the OP is that you MUST take feats to catch up. I am arguing feats are the reason you are believing that sorcerers etc. are so potent on their own to begin with. If you drop feats the high AC, high HP fighter with at will damage that cannot be mitigated with disadvantage by mere proximity to foes is very valuable, has a niche and does not fall short of the cantrip wielder.</p><p></p><p>Rather, like 1e AD&D, the spell caster has a important relationship with the fighter and such that you will be twinning fire bolt and hoping one hits instead of assuming they both hit without the cover of a fighter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warpiglet, post: 7438627, member: 6689161"] OK. If we take this analysis at face value we are hearing that AC and hit points matter. Maybe not as much in combat as DPR, but they matter. Let me throw this out there. What about DISADVANTAGE?! Many of the spells that "force" fighters to take feats to keep up will be at disadvantage to hit. If you do not take feats as a caster, isn't THIS a balancing factor? In 1e you would be unwise to travel as an M-U without fighters or at least retainers! In the current game the damage that spellcasters do are often predicated on cover from a hard target OR Warcaster, etc. The argument in the OP is that you MUST take feats to catch up. I am arguing feats are the reason you are believing that sorcerers etc. are so potent on their own to begin with. If you drop feats the high AC, high HP fighter with at will damage that cannot be mitigated with disadvantage by mere proximity to foes is very valuable, has a niche and does not fall short of the cantrip wielder. Rather, like 1e AD&D, the spell caster has a important relationship with the fighter and such that you will be twinning fire bolt and hoping one hits instead of assuming they both hit without the cover of a fighter. [/QUOTE]
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