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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8716398" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Dwarves and goblins the same race! Never!</p><p></p><p>But I will let you in on some of my deep secret campaign lore, something no PC has ever figured out.</p><p></p><p>[spoiler]</p><p>Bits of lore that do often come out in play is that Goblins are often no longer considered "free people" by the other free races and are instead treated as "servitors" which effectively means that they are non-people and free to kill. The reason some philosophers and cultures think that is that the histories record that in the early years after the Godswar, when the First Empire - the elvish Empire of Leaves - was spreading over the earth, the goblins disappeared from the surface of the Earth and did not trouble the other Free Peoples and were not seen often abroad. Then after the fall of the First Empire, the goblins reemerged from their underground lairs, <em>and they were changed</em> becoming fanged and horned, warriors of bone and hard sinew, terrible in countenance, and devouring the flesh of the other free people. </p><p></p><p>It's also recorded in the history of the elves that when the elves and the goblins first met, they danced together under the moonlight and were happy.</p><p></p><p>It's also something that comes up in the lore that goblins themselves think they are ugly and despise their own appearance.</p><p></p><p>What no PC hearing this has ever really thought to ask or gotten curious about is "If goblins were changed, what were they changed from?"</p><p></p><p>And the answer to that is that goblins used to be gnomes. Gnomes don't exist in my world, but they are what goblins once were. And it's possible, even probable, that there are Deep Gnomes hiding far from the eyes of the free people, beneath the great kingdoms of Goblin-kind, far far underground - rebels against their creator who fled the terror of Maglubiyet's great program and so retain their original form. It's likewise possible that a sufficiently heroic goblin could, if they wished, revert to their original form and become anew the progenitor of gnomes in the world. </p><p>[/spoiler]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8716398, member: 4937"] Dwarves and goblins the same race! Never! But I will let you in on some of my deep secret campaign lore, something no PC has ever figured out. [spoiler] Bits of lore that do often come out in play is that Goblins are often no longer considered "free people" by the other free races and are instead treated as "servitors" which effectively means that they are non-people and free to kill. The reason some philosophers and cultures think that is that the histories record that in the early years after the Godswar, when the First Empire - the elvish Empire of Leaves - was spreading over the earth, the goblins disappeared from the surface of the Earth and did not trouble the other Free Peoples and were not seen often abroad. Then after the fall of the First Empire, the goblins reemerged from their underground lairs, [i]and they were changed[/i] becoming fanged and horned, warriors of bone and hard sinew, terrible in countenance, and devouring the flesh of the other free people. It's also recorded in the history of the elves that when the elves and the goblins first met, they danced together under the moonlight and were happy. It's also something that comes up in the lore that goblins themselves think they are ugly and despise their own appearance. What no PC hearing this has ever really thought to ask or gotten curious about is "If goblins were changed, what were they changed from?" And the answer to that is that goblins used to be gnomes. Gnomes don't exist in my world, but they are what goblins once were. And it's possible, even probable, that there are Deep Gnomes hiding far from the eyes of the free people, beneath the great kingdoms of Goblin-kind, far far underground - rebels against their creator who fled the terror of Maglubiyet's great program and so retain their original form. It's likewise possible that a sufficiently heroic goblin could, if they wished, revert to their original form and become anew the progenitor of gnomes in the world. [/spoiler] [/QUOTE]
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