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<blockquote data-quote="Deset Gled" data-source="post: 9299741" data-attributes="member: 7808"><p>I want to take a minute to revisit a problem with Those Pesky Goblinz and Those Pesky Orcz. Specifically, the problem that they're the same game. And I don't just mean that they're both a rip off of the same source material (because they are both a rip off AD&D). No, I mean that the game is literally the same with just a few minor changes to words and graphics.</p><p></p><p>Here's an example of some pages from both, showing the layout, side by side:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]354084[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>And here's some of the game text, side by side:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]354086[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Almost all of the game material is like this. A few minor differences in graphics, a few places where things get slightly different names, a few minor edits to numbers. But in almost all meaningful ways, the two games are identical. Identical game mechanics text (THAC10, etc.). Identical flavor text. The only real difference is the starting adventure in the second half of the book (Goblinz has a re-print of Cult of Abaddon by Vince Florio, and Orcz has No Man's Land by the white supremacist Dave Johnson).</p><p></p><p>Why does this matter? In a lot of ways, it doesn't. The game isn't really published to be played as a game, it's just something for Lanasa to hawk to unsuspecting visitors to the DHSM during GaryCon.</p><p></p><p>But it might start to matter if you think about IP and ownership. Those Pesky Goblinz is IP of NuTSR. It's listed as part of their assets in the bankruptcy case, and there is no record of the IP changing hands. But Those Pesky Goblinz was also sold as a branded product of OSR Games. And Those Pesky Orcz is a product of Adamantite Games, which is privately owned by Justin Lanasa. And both of these games are sold exclusively at the DHSM (both on the website, and in person at the shop). The fact that these games are the same is another piece of evidence that these are all the same company. </p><p></p><p>NuTSR is OSR Games is the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum is Adamantite Games is Justin Lanasa. They are a single entity. This is one more piece of evidence proving it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deset Gled, post: 9299741, member: 7808"] I want to take a minute to revisit a problem with Those Pesky Goblinz and Those Pesky Orcz. Specifically, the problem that they're the same game. And I don't just mean that they're both a rip off of the same source material (because they are both a rip off AD&D). No, I mean that the game is literally the same with just a few minor changes to words and graphics. Here's an example of some pages from both, showing the layout, side by side: [ATTACH type="full" width="902px" alt="layoutz - Copy.JPG"]354084[/ATTACH] And here's some of the game text, side by side: [ATTACH type="full" alt="textz2 copy.JPG"]354086[/ATTACH] Almost all of the game material is like this. A few minor differences in graphics, a few places where things get slightly different names, a few minor edits to numbers. But in almost all meaningful ways, the two games are identical. Identical game mechanics text (THAC10, etc.). Identical flavor text. The only real difference is the starting adventure in the second half of the book (Goblinz has a re-print of Cult of Abaddon by Vince Florio, and Orcz has No Man's Land by the white supremacist Dave Johnson). Why does this matter? In a lot of ways, it doesn't. The game isn't really published to be played as a game, it's just something for Lanasa to hawk to unsuspecting visitors to the DHSM during GaryCon. But it might start to matter if you think about IP and ownership. Those Pesky Goblinz is IP of NuTSR. It's listed as part of their assets in the bankruptcy case, and there is no record of the IP changing hands. But Those Pesky Goblinz was also sold as a branded product of OSR Games. And Those Pesky Orcz is a product of Adamantite Games, which is privately owned by Justin Lanasa. And both of these games are sold exclusively at the DHSM (both on the website, and in person at the shop). The fact that these games are the same is another piece of evidence that these are all the same company. NuTSR is OSR Games is the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum is Adamantite Games is Justin Lanasa. They are a single entity. This is one more piece of evidence proving it. [/QUOTE]
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