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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8638481" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Re: "there are few complainers" being relevant, is that people often have exaggerated ideas about how widely-held their complaints are, and often to make arguments on the basis that their complaints are widely-held (for example, I saw someone trying to argue that "most people" disliked a movie in a series, when that movie was very successful financially and critically, quite recently - it was obvious that the "most people" existed solely in his mind). Pointing out that this is not the case is obviously valid, and trying to suggest it's merely an attempt to "hurt feelings" is, whilst kind of funny, not very valid.</p><p></p><p>This is particularly relevant when things like aesthetics are being argued, and most of what's argued about D&D is, in fact, aesthetics. I.e. artistic taste. If you are arguing that a specific artistic taste "should" be followed, whether that's a style of brushwork or having D&D not regain all HP on a rest by default, then it obviously matters whether that's a widely-held preference.</p><p></p><p>Of course you can make more interesting arguments by admitting that it is not perhaps a widely-held taste, but that if it were, perhaps would lead to the game having a more interesting aesthetic, but that requires being realistic and not feeling offended because someone (correctly) points out your opinion is not widely-held.</p><p></p><p>Re: "the complaints are unimportant" to "the complainers are unimportant", your own argument illustrates a serious problem with what you're saying, because context matters. It's not at all rude to say someone's argument over their family finances is small potatoes when the context is something wider. Thus your general point has no apparent weight to it here. Context is king. If the context of the argument is solely a small-scale thing, then, yes, obviously, saying "Well it doesn't matter on the larger scale" is something of a non-sequitur. I think reading it as "bullying" whenever it happens is a tad precious and self-pitying (which is not to say it never is!), but this is all about context.</p><p></p><p>And let's be real - we've all seen threads about a medium-context or broad-context topic derailed by someone's obsession with a very specific and essentially narrow-context/largely irrelevant point. In those cases it's absolutely appropriate to suggest the narrow-context issue "doesn't matter" in the broader context. But in a narrow-context-specific discussion, it would not be appropriate to barge in and dismiss it because of the larger context.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8638481, member: 18"] Re: "there are few complainers" being relevant, is that people often have exaggerated ideas about how widely-held their complaints are, and often to make arguments on the basis that their complaints are widely-held (for example, I saw someone trying to argue that "most people" disliked a movie in a series, when that movie was very successful financially and critically, quite recently - it was obvious that the "most people" existed solely in his mind). Pointing out that this is not the case is obviously valid, and trying to suggest it's merely an attempt to "hurt feelings" is, whilst kind of funny, not very valid. This is particularly relevant when things like aesthetics are being argued, and most of what's argued about D&D is, in fact, aesthetics. I.e. artistic taste. If you are arguing that a specific artistic taste "should" be followed, whether that's a style of brushwork or having D&D not regain all HP on a rest by default, then it obviously matters whether that's a widely-held preference. Of course you can make more interesting arguments by admitting that it is not perhaps a widely-held taste, but that if it were, perhaps would lead to the game having a more interesting aesthetic, but that requires being realistic and not feeling offended because someone (correctly) points out your opinion is not widely-held. Re: "the complaints are unimportant" to "the complainers are unimportant", your own argument illustrates a serious problem with what you're saying, because context matters. It's not at all rude to say someone's argument over their family finances is small potatoes when the context is something wider. Thus your general point has no apparent weight to it here. Context is king. If the context of the argument is solely a small-scale thing, then, yes, obviously, saying "Well it doesn't matter on the larger scale" is something of a non-sequitur. I think reading it as "bullying" whenever it happens is a tad precious and self-pitying (which is not to say it never is!), but this is all about context. And let's be real - we've all seen threads about a medium-context or broad-context topic derailed by someone's obsession with a very specific and essentially narrow-context/largely irrelevant point. In those cases it's absolutely appropriate to suggest the narrow-context issue "doesn't matter" in the broader context. But in a narrow-context-specific discussion, it would not be appropriate to barge in and dismiss it because of the larger context. [/QUOTE]
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