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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 9239436" data-attributes="member: 6877472"><p>Ok, but who should people draw parallels to? Conan is a superhero (quite literally, see Savage Avengers). Almost every fictional character a D&D player would look at and say "oh, I want to play a character like that guy/gal!" has a fleshed out kit of abilities and what would be equivalent to several great ability scores.</p><p></p><p>D&D is this strange beast that wants your characters to do the same kind of epic things you see fictional characters do, like fight giant monsters, face down demigods, and battle in the ruins of a crumbling castle floating above the Elemental Plane of Fire, but with characters who have some glaring weak points, so as to force you to rely on your companions.</p><p></p><p>I mean let's look at one of the ur-examples of an "adventuring party", the Fellowship. We have four Halfling Commoners (Fighter 1 or Rogue 1's if we're being extremely generous)- one of which has 2 heirloom magic items and an Artifact, an Elven Fighter with massive racial advantages and stupidly high level having been alive for thousands of years, a Human Fighter with 200 hit points, a Dwarf Fighter with 400 hit points, a Celestial being disguised as a Bladesinger, and a paragon Human Ranger (supposedly) with massive racial advantages and very high ability scores!</p><p></p><p>It plays more like high level WoW characters running low-level alts through a dungeon to get them xp, lol.</p><p></p><p>Even D&D fiction is bad at this- the power level of any given group of characters in a D&D novel is going to be pretty wildly disparate, most people have really high stats, and even low level characters have pretty amazing advantages- Streams of Silver gives us a high level Drow Fighter/Ranger, a high level Dwarf Fighter (who the PHB even uses as an example in character creation!), and a low level Human Barbarian with a +5 magic warhammer!</p><p></p><p>The Heroes of the Lance? Only occasionally all in the same place at the same time to begin with, so it's hard to even call them an "adventuring party" in the traditional sense, as they're not only scattered all over the place as the adventure continues, but one of them turns heel and attempts to solo the final boss!</p><p></p><p>Where's the appropriate character a player should emulate when envisioning their character? Phillipe Gaston? Willow Ulfgood? Effectively lower level characters kept alive by more experienced heroes?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 9239436, member: 6877472"] Ok, but who should people draw parallels to? Conan is a superhero (quite literally, see Savage Avengers). Almost every fictional character a D&D player would look at and say "oh, I want to play a character like that guy/gal!" has a fleshed out kit of abilities and what would be equivalent to several great ability scores. D&D is this strange beast that wants your characters to do the same kind of epic things you see fictional characters do, like fight giant monsters, face down demigods, and battle in the ruins of a crumbling castle floating above the Elemental Plane of Fire, but with characters who have some glaring weak points, so as to force you to rely on your companions. I mean let's look at one of the ur-examples of an "adventuring party", the Fellowship. We have four Halfling Commoners (Fighter 1 or Rogue 1's if we're being extremely generous)- one of which has 2 heirloom magic items and an Artifact, an Elven Fighter with massive racial advantages and stupidly high level having been alive for thousands of years, a Human Fighter with 200 hit points, a Dwarf Fighter with 400 hit points, a Celestial being disguised as a Bladesinger, and a paragon Human Ranger (supposedly) with massive racial advantages and very high ability scores! It plays more like high level WoW characters running low-level alts through a dungeon to get them xp, lol. Even D&D fiction is bad at this- the power level of any given group of characters in a D&D novel is going to be pretty wildly disparate, most people have really high stats, and even low level characters have pretty amazing advantages- Streams of Silver gives us a high level Drow Fighter/Ranger, a high level Dwarf Fighter (who the PHB even uses as an example in character creation!), and a low level Human Barbarian with a +5 magic warhammer! The Heroes of the Lance? Only occasionally all in the same place at the same time to begin with, so it's hard to even call them an "adventuring party" in the traditional sense, as they're not only scattered all over the place as the adventure continues, but one of them turns heel and attempts to solo the final boss! Where's the appropriate character a player should emulate when envisioning their character? Phillipe Gaston? Willow Ulfgood? Effectively lower level characters kept alive by more experienced heroes? [/QUOTE]
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