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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 9239598" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>I view Catwoman and Batman as comparable to the same master tier (levels 9−12). This tier is already superhuman, but in the sense of an action movie genre that remains near the upper limits of human possibility.</p><p></p><p>I noted Catwoman has an athletic Strength Score in the "20s", including the possibility of a 24 Strength Score.</p><p></p><p>You quantify the material of manacles to be 15 hit points. The normal D&D whip deals 1d4 damage. Whence Strength Score 24, full damage, and crit is necessary to break manacles with a single hit.</p><p></p><p>However, these are <em>metal</em> manacles. A normal whip is leather or its equivalent − which can NEVER shatter metal manacles. Thus this cannot be a normal whip. The whip is necessarily a special material or perhaps her cat-lives magic alters it, so that in any case, it is a D&D magic item. It might deal 1d6 damage or 1d8, and whether tech or magic is equivalent to a D&D 5e +2 weapon.</p><p></p><p>Thus even with the +2 magic item, Catwoman might simply have a Strength Score 20.</p><p></p><p>However, because of her extreme superhuman athleticism, I prefer to stat her with a Strength Score of at least 22.</p><p></p><p>As mentioned earlier, this Strength score doesnt apply to her Weightlifting skill (beyond the ability to throw her own bodys weight around remarkably).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Thor of Marvel Super Heroes deals "Unearthly" damage beyond his "Monstrous" Strength. He is an example of a superhero who has special superpowers relating to Weightlifting, Carrying Capacity, and here, shattering unattended objects.</p><p></p><p>This kind of superpower is comparable to D&D spells, such as slot 8 <em>Earthquake</em>.</p><p></p><p>Again, Thor is a superhero concept that is suitable for the legend tier (levels 17−20).</p><p></p><p></p><p>(By the way, some people have the impression that Norse Thor (Þórr) is weak without his magic belt. However, his mother is Jǫrð, who is arguably the most powerful and strongest Jǫtunn in existence. Thor himself without magic items exhibits Jǫtunn strength (and wrath). What the belt does is make him stronger than every other Jǫtunn.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 9239598, member: 58172"] I view Catwoman and Batman as comparable to the same master tier (levels 9−12). This tier is already superhuman, but in the sense of an action movie genre that remains near the upper limits of human possibility. I noted Catwoman has an athletic Strength Score in the "20s", including the possibility of a 24 Strength Score. You quantify the material of manacles to be 15 hit points. The normal D&D whip deals 1d4 damage. Whence Strength Score 24, full damage, and crit is necessary to break manacles with a single hit. However, these are [I]metal[/I] manacles. A normal whip is leather or its equivalent − which can NEVER shatter metal manacles. Thus this cannot be a normal whip. The whip is necessarily a special material or perhaps her cat-lives magic alters it, so that in any case, it is a D&D magic item. It might deal 1d6 damage or 1d8, and whether tech or magic is equivalent to a D&D 5e +2 weapon. Thus even with the +2 magic item, Catwoman might simply have a Strength Score 20. However, because of her extreme superhuman athleticism, I prefer to stat her with a Strength Score of at least 22. As mentioned earlier, this Strength score doesnt apply to her Weightlifting skill (beyond the ability to throw her own bodys weight around remarkably). The Thor of Marvel Super Heroes deals "Unearthly" damage beyond his "Monstrous" Strength. He is an example of a superhero who has special superpowers relating to Weightlifting, Carrying Capacity, and here, shattering unattended objects. This kind of superpower is comparable to D&D spells, such as slot 8 [I]Earthquake[/I]. Again, Thor is a superhero concept that is suitable for the legend tier (levels 17−20). (By the way, some people have the impression that Norse Thor (Þórr) is weak without his magic belt. However, his mother is Jǫrð, who is arguably the most powerful and strongest Jǫtunn in existence. Thor himself without magic items exhibits Jǫtunn strength (and wrath). What the belt does is make him stronger than every other Jǫtunn.) [/QUOTE]
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