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<blockquote data-quote="Renduaz" data-source="post: 7220192" data-attributes="member: 6885042"><p>Well, this is more of a question about delaying spell slot gains which come with any Spellcaster Multiclasser, rather than specific to the Fighter discussion, but there is an easy solution. The DPR increase of "Duelist" will mostly shine in the Marilith form, and if "Action Surge" is so unappealing, then you can just level up to 18 as a Bladesinger, with all the spell slots for your campaign, and then perhaps take Fighter. Again, this is a level 20 path, yes. There are many of those online which rely on the combination of high-level abilities with a multiclassing trick, so I'd say, if you're in a campaign in which it's unlikely you'll ever reach 20 or continue beyond it, or even get past mid-levels, then there is nothing to talk about and you should probably take another class completely, but this thread is just about Bladesingers, at max level. I have tons of other builds and tricks. </p><p></p><p>You'd be surprised at how many time and guides I've devoted to "control", this is in fact the first time I'm focusing on DPR. Contingency for a single free Haste instead of 2 turns is actually a bad use of Contingency, I'd use it for a Resilient Sphere or Dimension Door in the circumstance where I may be in danger. </p><p></p><p>I don't know what "clarification" you're speaking of but an Elf's racial Trance ability explicitly states it can gain the same benefits as that of another race in 8 hours, with only 4 hours. I can do everything you said in the post when circumstance calls for it as an 18th level Wizard, or I can do my melee DPR if I need to conserve slots for some reason or facing an enemy with Limited Magic Immunity or Resistances and what have you. I don't know what "Favored Soul" is, but I never player in sessions which allow UA, nor do I make builds for UA. I know for a fact that there are thousands of broken things you can do with the non-official ( For a reason, since it's unbalanced ) UA articles and classes and so on. And your Divine Smites run out in literally 2 turns for extra 4d8 damage. </p><p></p><p>As for Action Surge, that's part of the idea. I wrote "I can use action surge for other extreme melee nova" ( If I were fighting Tiamat for instance ) or for 2 spells in a row, or for triple the stuff you want to do with your contingency. I have great adaptability. And don't think that you are <a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?533093-The-Defensive-Wizard-Strategy-Build&p=22283122" target="_blank">innovating anything to me</a> when it comes to Contingency or other spells, <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yGW6B68wAsR42Eo4qbg9TK8x10RcQsH2R1lQIoCiE3Y/pub" target="_blank">nor when it comes to what can be done with proper control</a>. Just to disillusion you from the notion that melee efficiacy is the only thing I can theorize about.</p><p></p><p>This is merely the best I could come up with for a Bladesinger with a target goal of high DPR and decent consistency, especially at max level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Renduaz, post: 7220192, member: 6885042"] Well, this is more of a question about delaying spell slot gains which come with any Spellcaster Multiclasser, rather than specific to the Fighter discussion, but there is an easy solution. The DPR increase of "Duelist" will mostly shine in the Marilith form, and if "Action Surge" is so unappealing, then you can just level up to 18 as a Bladesinger, with all the spell slots for your campaign, and then perhaps take Fighter. Again, this is a level 20 path, yes. There are many of those online which rely on the combination of high-level abilities with a multiclassing trick, so I'd say, if you're in a campaign in which it's unlikely you'll ever reach 20 or continue beyond it, or even get past mid-levels, then there is nothing to talk about and you should probably take another class completely, but this thread is just about Bladesingers, at max level. I have tons of other builds and tricks. You'd be surprised at how many time and guides I've devoted to "control", this is in fact the first time I'm focusing on DPR. Contingency for a single free Haste instead of 2 turns is actually a bad use of Contingency, I'd use it for a Resilient Sphere or Dimension Door in the circumstance where I may be in danger. I don't know what "clarification" you're speaking of but an Elf's racial Trance ability explicitly states it can gain the same benefits as that of another race in 8 hours, with only 4 hours. I can do everything you said in the post when circumstance calls for it as an 18th level Wizard, or I can do my melee DPR if I need to conserve slots for some reason or facing an enemy with Limited Magic Immunity or Resistances and what have you. I don't know what "Favored Soul" is, but I never player in sessions which allow UA, nor do I make builds for UA. I know for a fact that there are thousands of broken things you can do with the non-official ( For a reason, since it's unbalanced ) UA articles and classes and so on. And your Divine Smites run out in literally 2 turns for extra 4d8 damage. As for Action Surge, that's part of the idea. I wrote "I can use action surge for other extreme melee nova" ( If I were fighting Tiamat for instance ) or for 2 spells in a row, or for triple the stuff you want to do with your contingency. I have great adaptability. And don't think that you are [URL="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?533093-The-Defensive-Wizard-Strategy-Build&p=22283122"]innovating anything to me[/URL] when it comes to Contingency or other spells, [URL="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yGW6B68wAsR42Eo4qbg9TK8x10RcQsH2R1lQIoCiE3Y/pub"]nor when it comes to what can be done with proper control[/URL]. Just to disillusion you from the notion that melee efficiacy is the only thing I can theorize about. This is merely the best I could come up with for a Bladesinger with a target goal of high DPR and decent consistency, especially at max level. [/QUOTE]
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