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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7489189" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>It certainly is in AD&D, but I just asked you what you thought.</p><p></p><p>Level is it seems obviously used in this case as an abstraction of fame... </p><p></p><p>The 1e/2e game was already written with explicit your fame lets you build this castle and attract these type of followers at level X which no other class does ---> that horse is already gone from the barn even if you think it is Meta. Sure realistically it may be an attempt to give fighters something when the game designers were letting wizards warp the hell out of reality but it was written under an assumption of a culture too.</p><p></p><p>I think you are completely wrong if you think such a the squire being a class feature is actually different than what is already there in the rules. </p><p></p><p>The game already is basically defining traditions ie a Martial Culture where being a fighter meant other fighterish types paid attention to you "advancing your career" aka leveling and indeed you were noticed and able to build that castle, becoming a magnet for ones wanting to join their fame with yours ... This is apparently not a tradition that Wizards and Rangers have AND yes it's making some off camera story assumptions for all classes but they are built into the class. Similarly that could reasonably be the same kind of culture where individuals make themselves squires for basically the same reason in addition to getting trained and maybe as an avenue for a non noble to become a Lord. These are reflected in fiction and to a lesser degree history. </p><p></p><p>I could see low level wizards actualy having a tradition of having a magically bonded bodyguard too (see Aes Sedai from Wheel of Time) and making that a part of the game if they were balanced around having that it could be fun (see Druids in 3rd edition having a Bear as a companion though admittedly it wasnt balanced and basically granted them a full on fighter worth of benefit instead of a side kick benefit it was meant to be)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7489189, member: 82504"] It certainly is in AD&D, but I just asked you what you thought. Level is it seems obviously used in this case as an abstraction of fame... The 1e/2e game was already written with explicit your fame lets you build this castle and attract these type of followers at level X which no other class does ---> that horse is already gone from the barn even if you think it is Meta. Sure realistically it may be an attempt to give fighters something when the game designers were letting wizards warp the hell out of reality but it was written under an assumption of a culture too. I think you are completely wrong if you think such a the squire being a class feature is actually different than what is already there in the rules. The game already is basically defining traditions ie a Martial Culture where being a fighter meant other fighterish types paid attention to you "advancing your career" aka leveling and indeed you were noticed and able to build that castle, becoming a magnet for ones wanting to join their fame with yours ... This is apparently not a tradition that Wizards and Rangers have AND yes it's making some off camera story assumptions for all classes but they are built into the class. Similarly that could reasonably be the same kind of culture where individuals make themselves squires for basically the same reason in addition to getting trained and maybe as an avenue for a non noble to become a Lord. These are reflected in fiction and to a lesser degree history. I could see low level wizards actualy having a tradition of having a magically bonded bodyguard too (see Aes Sedai from Wheel of Time) and making that a part of the game if they were balanced around having that it could be fun (see Druids in 3rd edition having a Bear as a companion though admittedly it wasnt balanced and basically granted them a full on fighter worth of benefit instead of a side kick benefit it was meant to be) [/QUOTE]
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