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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9337019" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>It only slows down enemies who move through the obvious trap.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right. But that whole thing with "well build me a character" started because I pointed out that Casters are able to do so much in all three pillars of play, easily overshadowing the non-casters. You said that was a bad argument. You demanded to see proof. </p><p></p><p>Now, I have a character who supposedly is terrible, near worthless in combat, able to be out-matched by a level 1 fighter... and who is also the absolute biggest threat on the field, who must immediately be focused fired on, even at the cost of getting hit by a free AoO (which for a character with 7 hp is a death sentence usually). At level 3. </p><p></p><p>Now, I know this seems to be difficult, but try and remember, that casters get stronger than this, around levels 11 and higher, where they have access to even more spells. </p><p></p><p>So, since no martial character is treated like this, but any spellcaster is. And they can break the rules of skill checks for any of the other pillars of play, and they don't need to make themselves worse at combat to get better at those skills unlike the martials... it seems like it is a rather silly position to take, that there isn't an imbalance here. </p><p></p><p>Of course, you already know that. You know there is an imbalance, and you LIKE that there is an imbalance that makes casters superior. You have literally said so. So I'm struggling to see the point of continuing to discuss with you. You agree with the proposition I have, you just don't think it is a problem for one group of classes to so thoroughly outshine the others.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9337019, member: 6801228"] It only slows down enemies who move through the obvious trap. Right. But that whole thing with "well build me a character" started because I pointed out that Casters are able to do so much in all three pillars of play, easily overshadowing the non-casters. You said that was a bad argument. You demanded to see proof. Now, I have a character who supposedly is terrible, near worthless in combat, able to be out-matched by a level 1 fighter... and who is also the absolute biggest threat on the field, who must immediately be focused fired on, even at the cost of getting hit by a free AoO (which for a character with 7 hp is a death sentence usually). At level 3. Now, I know this seems to be difficult, but try and remember, that casters get stronger than this, around levels 11 and higher, where they have access to even more spells. So, since no martial character is treated like this, but any spellcaster is. And they can break the rules of skill checks for any of the other pillars of play, and they don't need to make themselves worse at combat to get better at those skills unlike the martials... it seems like it is a rather silly position to take, that there isn't an imbalance here. Of course, you already know that. You know there is an imbalance, and you LIKE that there is an imbalance that makes casters superior. You have literally said so. So I'm struggling to see the point of continuing to discuss with you. You agree with the proposition I have, you just don't think it is a problem for one group of classes to so thoroughly outshine the others. [/QUOTE]
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