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<blockquote data-quote="Ciaran" data-source="post: 3087092" data-attributes="member: 756"><p>But it's not analogous at all. Empower, Enlarge and Extend all affect the spell parameters that Amplify increases; Heighten affects none of them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I suppose it does increase the DC, doesn't it? I usually think of Heighten Spell in terms of its ability to increase spell level to bypass Globes of Invulnerability and such.</p><p></p><p>In any case, this means that Potent Spell is completely inferior to Heighten Spell if its DC bonus equals its spell slot increase; Heighten Spell entirely subsumes its effects as a subset of its own capabilities. Unless Potent Spell is more effective within its narrower range, there's no point in taking it instead of Heighten Spell. And if making Potent Spell more effective is unbalanced, then the feat must be scrapped outright.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You may be right about the power level. But if so, your fix only pushes the problem back onto the higher-powered metamagic feats; if a cheap Silent Stilled Magic Missile is bad, a cheap Silent Quickened Magic Missile is worse.</p><p></p><p>How about a limited-use feat, like this:</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Improved Metamagic [Metamagic]</span></strong></p><p>You are adept in the use of metamagic.</p><p><strong>Prerequisites</strong>: Any two metamagic feats.</p><p><strong>Benefit</strong>: Once per day, when applying one or more metamagic feats to a spell, reduce the spell slot modifier of the sum of all the metamagic feats by one level, to a minimum of +1.</p><p><strong>Special</strong>: You can select this feat multiple times. Each time you take the feat, you may use it one more time per day. You cannot apply multiple uses of this feat to a single spell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ciaran, post: 3087092, member: 756"] But it's not analogous at all. Empower, Enlarge and Extend all affect the spell parameters that Amplify increases; Heighten affects none of them. I suppose it does increase the DC, doesn't it? I usually think of Heighten Spell in terms of its ability to increase spell level to bypass Globes of Invulnerability and such. In any case, this means that Potent Spell is completely inferior to Heighten Spell if its DC bonus equals its spell slot increase; Heighten Spell entirely subsumes its effects as a subset of its own capabilities. Unless Potent Spell is more effective within its narrower range, there's no point in taking it instead of Heighten Spell. And if making Potent Spell more effective is unbalanced, then the feat must be scrapped outright. You may be right about the power level. But if so, your fix only pushes the problem back onto the higher-powered metamagic feats; if a cheap Silent Stilled Magic Missile is bad, a cheap Silent Quickened Magic Missile is worse. How about a limited-use feat, like this: [B][SIZE=3]Improved Metamagic [Metamagic][/SIZE][/B] You are adept in the use of metamagic. [B]Prerequisites[/B]: Any two metamagic feats. [B]Benefit[/B]: Once per day, when applying one or more metamagic feats to a spell, reduce the spell slot modifier of the sum of all the metamagic feats by one level, to a minimum of +1. [B]Special[/B]: You can select this feat multiple times. Each time you take the feat, you may use it one more time per day. You cannot apply multiple uses of this feat to a single spell. [/QUOTE]
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