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<blockquote data-quote="The Shadow" data-source="post: 6408842" data-attributes="member: 16760"><p>I know I said I was leaving, but darnit! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, it's quite safe to say we differ there.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not a list designed to arouse my sympathy. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>If for Sartre Hell was other people, for me Hell is reading Sartre! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> And for my money, as a philosopher, Russell was a great mathematician. Your mileage no doubt varies.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Brother, you just said a mouthful! I'm trying to imagine terms under which that *wouldn't* be evil, and am coming up blank.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Except that's not what I said. It isn't the power that's the issue, it's the lack of meaning. KM explicitly said there was no right answer, that good and evil are purely according to one's point of view.</p><p></p><p>If the difference between good and evil is just a matter of taste, then the only reason to choose to change the multiverse is simply the brute fact that you do, in fact, choose it.</p><p></p><p>If there is an objective difference between good and evil, then there are actual stakes in the ability to enact your beliefs. You can make the multiverse better, or you can make it worse. But if there is no standard by which the multiverse's state can be judged, all you can do is make it how you like.</p><p></p><p>And ultimately, so what? Who cares? I for one am not so maniacal as to want to force everyone to share my taste in music or food; these things don't matter much, precisely because they are purely matters of taste in which people have legitimate differences. If morality is a similar sort of taste, why is it worth trying to get anyone to share it?</p><p></p><p>You could say that getting people to share my morality could benefit me personally by, say, making it less likely that I will get murdered. But not wanting to get murdered is itself a moral stance! The very WORD 'benefit' contains the idea of 'goodness' in it! In the moral vacuum we are considering, there's no reason to value life over death, except that we happen to prefer it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Shadow, post: 6408842, member: 16760"] I know I said I was leaving, but darnit! :) Yeah, it's quite safe to say we differ there. Not a list designed to arouse my sympathy. ;) If for Sartre Hell was other people, for me Hell is reading Sartre! :) And for my money, as a philosopher, Russell was a great mathematician. Your mileage no doubt varies. Brother, you just said a mouthful! I'm trying to imagine terms under which that *wouldn't* be evil, and am coming up blank. Except that's not what I said. It isn't the power that's the issue, it's the lack of meaning. KM explicitly said there was no right answer, that good and evil are purely according to one's point of view. If the difference between good and evil is just a matter of taste, then the only reason to choose to change the multiverse is simply the brute fact that you do, in fact, choose it. If there is an objective difference between good and evil, then there are actual stakes in the ability to enact your beliefs. You can make the multiverse better, or you can make it worse. But if there is no standard by which the multiverse's state can be judged, all you can do is make it how you like. And ultimately, so what? Who cares? I for one am not so maniacal as to want to force everyone to share my taste in music or food; these things don't matter much, precisely because they are purely matters of taste in which people have legitimate differences. If morality is a similar sort of taste, why is it worth trying to get anyone to share it? You could say that getting people to share my morality could benefit me personally by, say, making it less likely that I will get murdered. But not wanting to get murdered is itself a moral stance! The very WORD 'benefit' contains the idea of 'goodness' in it! In the moral vacuum we are considering, there's no reason to value life over death, except that we happen to prefer it. [/QUOTE]
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