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<blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5347189" data-attributes="member: 59506"><p>@<u><a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=18680" target="_blank">Votan</a></u></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here as you seem to be making some contradictory claims. If I'm misunderstanding you, I apologize.</p><p> </p><p>Are you trying to say that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Legnica" target="_blank"><span style="color: orange">The_Battle_of_Legnica</span></a> highlights a lack of higher level military training and unsophisticated tactics in Europe, as compared to the level of training and tactics of the Samurai countering the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan" target="_blank"><span style="color: orange">Mongol_Invasions_of_Japan</span></a>? If so, I have a problem with that. At the time of the Mongol Invasions of Japan, the Samurai really didn't have much in the way of "tactics". They had become an individualized, sword culture. Their strategy was to stand on the beach and fight off the Mongols as individual warriors. A horrible strategy! There really wasn't much in the way of any strategic thinking involved in their defense. The only reason these invasions were unsuccessful was due to weather. If the Mongols hadn't lost most of their supplies and the majority of their force to storms, Japanes culture as we know it would have probably ended in the 13th century.</p><p> </p><p>I also take significant issue with this:</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Martial Training did not cease in Western culture with the fall of the Roman Empire. In fact, Martial Arts in Europe reached a new high during the Medieval Age. The problem is that many of those Arts and concepts were lost as the increasing use of firearms led Europe in a different direction. We are only now reconstructing many of those Arts from old documents. And although there are no documents older than the late 13th century that have survived, there are other sources that indirectly mention schools and teachers as far back as the 11th century, that are very similar to the schools and teachers of later centuries. The training of squires and knights was very much a Martial Art. One every bit as lethal, elegent, and complex as any Asian Martial Art. And did include strategic and tactical training equally comparable to any other culture or time. It was just passed along in more of an individual manner, rather than written down at the time.</p><p> </p><p>I'd suggest checking out HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts), and reading up on <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/242110-history-mythology-art-rpgs.html" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ffff99">this</span></a> thread and the sources in it for more info on this.</p><p> </p><p>We are finding every day, that there's a lot more to Medieval European Martial Arts than we were commonly taught in our modern times.</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/glasses.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="B-)" title="Glasses B-)" data-shortname="B-)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Mahdi, post: 5347189, member: 59506"] @[U][URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/member.php?u=18680"]Votan[/URL][/U] I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here as you seem to be making some contradictory claims. If I'm misunderstanding you, I apologize. Are you trying to say that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Legnica"][COLOR=orange]The_Battle_of_Legnica[/COLOR][/URL] highlights a lack of higher level military training and unsophisticated tactics in Europe, as compared to the level of training and tactics of the Samurai countering the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Japan"][COLOR=orange]Mongol_Invasions_of_Japan[/COLOR][/URL]? If so, I have a problem with that. At the time of the Mongol Invasions of Japan, the Samurai really didn't have much in the way of "tactics". They had become an individualized, sword culture. Their strategy was to stand on the beach and fight off the Mongols as individual warriors. A horrible strategy! There really wasn't much in the way of any strategic thinking involved in their defense. The only reason these invasions were unsuccessful was due to weather. If the Mongols hadn't lost most of their supplies and the majority of their force to storms, Japanes culture as we know it would have probably ended in the 13th century. I also take significant issue with this: Martial Training did not cease in Western culture with the fall of the Roman Empire. In fact, Martial Arts in Europe reached a new high during the Medieval Age. The problem is that many of those Arts and concepts were lost as the increasing use of firearms led Europe in a different direction. We are only now reconstructing many of those Arts from old documents. And although there are no documents older than the late 13th century that have survived, there are other sources that indirectly mention schools and teachers as far back as the 11th century, that are very similar to the schools and teachers of later centuries. The training of squires and knights was very much a Martial Art. One every bit as lethal, elegent, and complex as any Asian Martial Art. And did include strategic and tactical training equally comparable to any other culture or time. It was just passed along in more of an individual manner, rather than written down at the time. I'd suggest checking out HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts), and reading up on [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/242110-history-mythology-art-rpgs.html"][COLOR=#ffff99]this[/COLOR][/URL] thread and the sources in it for more info on this. We are finding every day, that there's a lot more to Medieval European Martial Arts than we were commonly taught in our modern times. B-) [/QUOTE]
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