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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7780827" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>ha... ha...</p><p></p><p>If I get a hardcopy of the physical book, I won't be happy. As half of that book will be reprinting something else. I'll have paid $80 for the book. Even if I get it at Amazon on a sale, I'll have paid more for that book that if I bought it at my FLGS. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Here's the thing... they plan their books 18 months ahead. They already knew that they'd be doing the Eberron book. Okay, they might have had time to make last minute changes, but they probably already had it on the schedule when they released the <em>Wayfinder's Guide</em>, guessing what the response would be. </p><p></p><p>So it wasn't a "theoretical" book. I was a book already scheduled and planned. Hence why I feel lied to.</p><p></p><p></p><p>IF they decide to still add the artificer. They may not, saving that for the hardcover, </p><p></p><p>Even if they do that's not really helpful. As every page added to the PDF would also be added to the hardcover. And doing the math, if they add those pages to both the PDF and the hardcover, it increases the total percentage of the book that would likely be reprinted. Right now it's around 70.5% if they copy 120-pages of the 170-page book (i.e. intro to the nations, the races, dragonmarks). If the artificer brings in 20 pages that goes up to 73%...</p><p></p><p></p><p>You'd be wrong there: <a href="http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/july-survey" target="_blank">http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/july-survey</a></p><p></p><p>Eberron TIED with Ravenloft, Dark Sun, Planescape, and the Forgotten Realms. And we haven't really seen a hardcover setting book for any of those, apart from <em>Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide</em>, which covered maybe a third of the Realms. </p><p>(And before you say it, no <em>Curse of Strahd</em> doesn't count. That was an update of an adventure not the setting: it included and updated none of the trappings of the setting.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>First, I doubt anyone is going to buy the PDF playtest document next time. They'll look at the UAs and give their feedback, but they're not going to play to test. </p><p></p><p>The big "catch" is they don't need to do a annual setting books. Settings have hard diminishing returns as you only need one at a time, and a single setting can accommodate multiple campaigns and years of play. Eberron is their second setting in as many years. There's maybe an audience for one more setting before sales for those books start dropping. Two at most. So we get a Dark Sun and Planescape book but never get a Forgotten Realms hardback for 5e. No Dragonlance or Greyhawk or Ravenloft. And probably not Spelljammer. </p><p>That's mostly why I'm irked. </p><p>This is very literally coming at the expense of another setting. That's a setting that won't receive a setting book for 5e. Likely a setting that wasn't officially update for 4e either (and maybe not 3e). The longer the setting goes without support, the fewer and fewer fans the setting will have. Dragonlance used to be the most popular setting. But without the ability to make new fans in 4e, it fell to the second tier. By the time they do a 6e survey, it might be in the third tier, alongside Spelljammer, Mystara, and Birthright.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7780827, member: 37579"] ha... ha... If I get a hardcopy of the physical book, I won't be happy. As half of that book will be reprinting something else. I'll have paid $80 for the book. Even if I get it at Amazon on a sale, I'll have paid more for that book that if I bought it at my FLGS. Here's the thing... they plan their books 18 months ahead. They already knew that they'd be doing the Eberron book. Okay, they might have had time to make last minute changes, but they probably already had it on the schedule when they released the [I]Wayfinder's Guide[/I], guessing what the response would be. So it wasn't a "theoretical" book. I was a book already scheduled and planned. Hence why I feel lied to. IF they decide to still add the artificer. They may not, saving that for the hardcover, Even if they do that's not really helpful. As every page added to the PDF would also be added to the hardcover. And doing the math, if they add those pages to both the PDF and the hardcover, it increases the total percentage of the book that would likely be reprinted. Right now it's around 70.5% if they copy 120-pages of the 170-page book (i.e. intro to the nations, the races, dragonmarks). If the artificer brings in 20 pages that goes up to 73%... You'd be wrong there: [url]http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/features/july-survey[/url] Eberron TIED with Ravenloft, Dark Sun, Planescape, and the Forgotten Realms. And we haven't really seen a hardcover setting book for any of those, apart from [I]Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide[/I], which covered maybe a third of the Realms. (And before you say it, no [I]Curse of Strahd[/I] doesn't count. That was an update of an adventure not the setting: it included and updated none of the trappings of the setting.) First, I doubt anyone is going to buy the PDF playtest document next time. They'll look at the UAs and give their feedback, but they're not going to play to test. The big "catch" is they don't need to do a annual setting books. Settings have hard diminishing returns as you only need one at a time, and a single setting can accommodate multiple campaigns and years of play. Eberron is their second setting in as many years. There's maybe an audience for one more setting before sales for those books start dropping. Two at most. So we get a Dark Sun and Planescape book but never get a Forgotten Realms hardback for 5e. No Dragonlance or Greyhawk or Ravenloft. And probably not Spelljammer. That's mostly why I'm irked. This is very literally coming at the expense of another setting. That's a setting that won't receive a setting book for 5e. Likely a setting that wasn't officially update for 4e either (and maybe not 3e). The longer the setting goes without support, the fewer and fewer fans the setting will have. Dragonlance used to be the most popular setting. But without the ability to make new fans in 4e, it fell to the second tier. By the time they do a 6e survey, it might be in the third tier, alongside Spelljammer, Mystara, and Birthright. [/QUOTE]
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