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<blockquote data-quote="Morrus" data-source="post: 6264769" data-attributes="member: 1"><p>It's all relative. Of course it's not repressed compared to what you consider the norm; you were brought up in it. But folks are discussing the topic as compared to other Western countries. One thing many of your questions in this forum reveal is that you haven't traveled much outside your own country. That's fine, and it's cool that you ask for information and seek to broaden your knowledge base. I respect you for doing that. </p><p></p><p>It's important to release that when discussing relative concepts like this, it's as <em>compared to elsewhere</em>. Politicians in Italy don't get condemned for their sex lives; France doesn't have a big Bible Belt condemning a whole demographic based on their sexuality; Amsterdam has sex workers acting legally and safely; basic public broadcast TV (i.e. not cable and the like) in the UK has plenty of breasts and sex and the like, and that's pretty tame compared to the rest of Europe. I don't know enough about Eastern Europe or Russia to comment on those. Nor India or China or most of Asia. I've been to Japan, and vending machines had sexual content, and pornographic comic books sat on the bottom shelves in many shops.</p><p></p><p>Now, I've been to the US a half-dozen times. In total, I've only spent about 3 months there. So I am definitely NOT making any claims one way or the other, except to observe that your country is widely regarded as extremely prudish about sex, and enthusiastic about violence, and this comes across in the media you export. Whether that view is justified or not is another matter, and I'll leave it to others to hash out. I'll just try to define the topic at hand, because I think you seem to be mistaking the term "sexual repression" for "not being allowed to have sex". That's not what it means. It refers to the culture surrounding the subject, not the act itself, and this debate will certainly work better with at least an agreed-upon definition.</p><p></p><p>Some elements of the subject (not all) include:</p><p></p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">comprehensive sex education</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">topless or nudist beaches and other areas</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the amount of sexual content on freely available television</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">legal or decriminalized prostitution</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">attitudes of voters or media regarding the sex lives of politicians</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">pro-gay legislation</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">age of sexual consent</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">controversies regarding topic like abortion, rape, and other issues</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">freely available contraception</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the need to fetishise, ritualise, or label normal sexual behaviour or culture (your own use of the term "one night stand culture" being an example of that)</li> </ul><p></p><p>That's just some of the things. Now, it's no surprise that the US is by a long way the most conservative (and religious) Western country. That's veering too much into politics and religion, though, so we can't discuss that - but that's likely the broader issue, of which this topic is but a microcosm. But we'll need to reign the topic in to the more focused one at hand, while acknowledging that we're skirting round the larger picture.</p><p></p><p>(Incidentally, I'd hardly claim that my own country is a bastion of free sexual expression -- it's less so than much of Western Europe by a long shot.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Morrus, post: 6264769, member: 1"] It's all relative. Of course it's not repressed compared to what you consider the norm; you were brought up in it. But folks are discussing the topic as compared to other Western countries. One thing many of your questions in this forum reveal is that you haven't traveled much outside your own country. That's fine, and it's cool that you ask for information and seek to broaden your knowledge base. I respect you for doing that. It's important to release that when discussing relative concepts like this, it's as [I]compared to elsewhere[/I]. Politicians in Italy don't get condemned for their sex lives; France doesn't have a big Bible Belt condemning a whole demographic based on their sexuality; Amsterdam has sex workers acting legally and safely; basic public broadcast TV (i.e. not cable and the like) in the UK has plenty of breasts and sex and the like, and that's pretty tame compared to the rest of Europe. I don't know enough about Eastern Europe or Russia to comment on those. Nor India or China or most of Asia. I've been to Japan, and vending machines had sexual content, and pornographic comic books sat on the bottom shelves in many shops. Now, I've been to the US a half-dozen times. In total, I've only spent about 3 months there. So I am definitely NOT making any claims one way or the other, except to observe that your country is widely regarded as extremely prudish about sex, and enthusiastic about violence, and this comes across in the media you export. Whether that view is justified or not is another matter, and I'll leave it to others to hash out. I'll just try to define the topic at hand, because I think you seem to be mistaking the term "sexual repression" for "not being allowed to have sex". That's not what it means. It refers to the culture surrounding the subject, not the act itself, and this debate will certainly work better with at least an agreed-upon definition. Some elements of the subject (not all) include: [LIST] [*]comprehensive sex education [*]topless or nudist beaches and other areas [*]the amount of sexual content on freely available television [*]legal or decriminalized prostitution [*]attitudes of voters or media regarding the sex lives of politicians [*]pro-gay legislation [*]age of sexual consent [*]controversies regarding topic like abortion, rape, and other issues [*]freely available contraception [*]the need to fetishise, ritualise, or label normal sexual behaviour or culture (your own use of the term "one night stand culture" being an example of that) [/LIST] That's just some of the things. Now, it's no surprise that the US is by a long way the most conservative (and religious) Western country. That's veering too much into politics and religion, though, so we can't discuss that - but that's likely the broader issue, of which this topic is but a microcosm. But we'll need to reign the topic in to the more focused one at hand, while acknowledging that we're skirting round the larger picture. (Incidentally, I'd hardly claim that my own country is a bastion of free sexual expression -- it's less so than much of Western Europe by a long shot.) [/QUOTE]
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