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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7051526" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>[h=2]<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110528014708/http://community.wizards.com/garthanos/blog/2011/05/14/the_party_death_spirol_" target="_blank">THE PARTY DEATH SPIRAL</a>[/h] <span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">D&D has always been anti-death-spiral at its core - you didnt get gradually worse with inevitable death as an individual hit points acted as a buffer preventing it ...</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">However death spirals still exist in D&D how is that possible? Easy its the party Death spiral where a character death weakens the over all party and generates a cascade failure.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">4th edition has increased intra-party synergy some and this is very cool in so many ways and appropriate however it does increase the likelihood that one players character going down can take ot the entire party because the whole is indeed greater than the sum of its parts.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">TPKs are generally not fun and for the most part they mess with everyones story DM and player alike... removing synergy and dependence isn't a good solution its like removing a layer of all the time fun trying to prevent an incident of un fun.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">My solution involves a Trope called the Conservation of Ninjutsu = I wont link to tvtropes.org that is evil but I will employ plausibility deniability to let you do it to yourself. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Note In fiction this occurs among the heroes not just the adversaries a group of - You see what happens when one hero goes down? they get flash backs of relationships and moments with that hero they become emotionallly inspired etc. They are enraged / or driven.. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">This effect doesn't necessarily happen all at once after all everybody gets there turn for a spot light... and it is often a reflection of the hero how he affects his allies.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><strong>Solution in Simplest Form :</strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"> The player can when there character is down / disabled operate in a fashion like a defacto </span><strong>LazyLord</strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"> creating various support effects and maintaining the action economy of the fight. It keeps the player involved in the tactics of the fight.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">The idea is just because your character is out of the fight you the player are not. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">[h=3]More than One Bird with a Single Stone.[/h]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Players don't like characters being disabled for long duration make sense as it takes them out of the play - deprives them of choices removes their vehicle of influence.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">However with all the deadly tools being employed sometimes it also makes sense within the narrative for this to happen... by finding ways to allow the player to influence play even while their hero/avatar is disabled. We solve multiple goals.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"> This concept improves the acceptability of longer term character disabling effects whatever their flavor... </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">One element of implementation might involve giving characters powers which require they be disabled or down to varying degrees. </span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">It could even open other possibilities for fun. Heck you might establish a special relationship with another hero so your two characters could use powers that are normally restricted to a downed hero, could then target one who is just disabled.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">May your story never be ruined by a tpk.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7051526, member: 82504"] [h=2][URL="https://web.archive.org/web/20110528014708/http://community.wizards.com/garthanos/blog/2011/05/14/the_party_death_spirol_"]THE PARTY DEATH SPIRAL[/URL][/h] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Tahoma]D&D has always been anti-death-spiral at its core - you didnt get gradually worse with inevitable death as an individual hit points acted as a buffer preventing it ... [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]However death spirals still exist in D&D how is that possible? Easy its the party Death spiral where a character death weakens the over all party and generates a cascade failure.[/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]4th edition has increased intra-party synergy some and this is very cool in so many ways and appropriate however it does increase the likelihood that one players character going down can take ot the entire party because the whole is indeed greater than the sum of its parts. [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]TPKs are generally not fun and for the most part they mess with everyones story DM and player alike... removing synergy and dependence isn't a good solution its like removing a layer of all the time fun trying to prevent an incident of un fun.[/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]My solution involves a Trope called the Conservation of Ninjutsu = I wont link to tvtropes.org that is evil but I will employ plausibility deniability to let you do it to yourself. [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]Note In fiction this occurs among the heroes not just the adversaries a group of - You see what happens when one hero goes down? they get flash backs of relationships and moments with that hero they become emotionallly inspired etc. They are enraged / or driven.. [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]This effect doesn't necessarily happen all at once after all everybody gets there turn for a spot light... and it is often a reflection of the hero how he affects his allies. [/FONT] [B]Solution in Simplest Form :[/B][FONT=Tahoma] The player can when there character is down / disabled operate in a fashion like a defacto [/FONT][B]LazyLord[/B][FONT=Tahoma] creating various support effects and maintaining the action economy of the fight. It keeps the player involved in the tactics of the fight.[/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]The idea is just because your character is out of the fight you the player are not. [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][h=3]More than One Bird with a Single Stone.[/h][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]Players don't like characters being disabled for long duration make sense as it takes them out of the play - deprives them of choices removes their vehicle of influence.[/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]However with all the deadly tools being employed sometimes it also makes sense within the narrative for this to happen... by finding ways to allow the player to influence play even while their hero/avatar is disabled. We solve multiple goals.[/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma] This concept improves the acceptability of longer term character disabling effects whatever their flavor... [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]One element of implementation might involve giving characters powers which require they be disabled or down to varying degrees. [/FONT][FONT=Tahoma]It could even open other possibilities for fun. Heck you might establish a special relationship with another hero so your two characters could use powers that are normally restricted to a downed hero, could then target one who is just disabled.[/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma] May your story never be ruined by a tpk.[/FONT] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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