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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7075865" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>The 'tl;dr version' is that a greater than 50% taxation rate is far from common, and in fact would only be associated with actual slave states. The majority of European serfs endured lower taxation rates, and societies where economic output was garnished by 50% or more were extreme cases. The effective increase in taxation from about 30% to about 42% by Prince John to raise King Richard's ransom very nearly brought about general revolt, and is remembered in story to this day. Similar periods of increased taxation in different periods - such as the 1377 tax reform - brought about actual peasant revolts, or revolts by nobility, or both.</p><p></p><p>Gygax's 9 s.p. in tax per 30 s.p. in income outlined in the 1e AD&D is probably closer to the historical mode. It was extremely unusual for the government to actually control more than about 10th of the economy. (For example, in medieval England, the king's share was 1/13th part of income and a great many competing institutions - churches, cities, major lords - and the lands they held were exempt.) Your idea of 7 portions out of every 12.5 being taken as tax is simply unbelievable except for an ancient society practicing near universal and unregulated slavery, and the usual method then is to keep everything and give back the 5 s.p. worth of economic output needed for subsistence rather than trying to extort that much from people with some sort of rights.</p><p></p><p>Put it this way, while Gygax was not above imposing taxes on the PC's to drain excess wealth out of their coffers, he also understood that the flow of cash could go both ways, with PC lords taxing their subjects. And he would have - quite rightly - invoked an instant insurrection on any PC lord that tried to raise taxes to the sort of rates you are calling common.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7075865, member: 4937"] The 'tl;dr version' is that a greater than 50% taxation rate is far from common, and in fact would only be associated with actual slave states. The majority of European serfs endured lower taxation rates, and societies where economic output was garnished by 50% or more were extreme cases. The effective increase in taxation from about 30% to about 42% by Prince John to raise King Richard's ransom very nearly brought about general revolt, and is remembered in story to this day. Similar periods of increased taxation in different periods - such as the 1377 tax reform - brought about actual peasant revolts, or revolts by nobility, or both. Gygax's 9 s.p. in tax per 30 s.p. in income outlined in the 1e AD&D is probably closer to the historical mode. It was extremely unusual for the government to actually control more than about 10th of the economy. (For example, in medieval England, the king's share was 1/13th part of income and a great many competing institutions - churches, cities, major lords - and the lands they held were exempt.) Your idea of 7 portions out of every 12.5 being taken as tax is simply unbelievable except for an ancient society practicing near universal and unregulated slavery, and the usual method then is to keep everything and give back the 5 s.p. worth of economic output needed for subsistence rather than trying to extort that much from people with some sort of rights. Put it this way, while Gygax was not above imposing taxes on the PC's to drain excess wealth out of their coffers, he also understood that the flow of cash could go both ways, with PC lords taxing their subjects. And he would have - quite rightly - invoked an instant insurrection on any PC lord that tried to raise taxes to the sort of rates you are calling common. [/QUOTE]
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