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<blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 6348053" data-attributes="member: 1879"><p>Yup. And my solution to this is the same as my solution to the Ranger issue and it's based on the same idea.</p><p></p><p><em>There's no such things as classes.</em> I think this is more true for 5e than for any previous edition of D&D, even 3e. Inside the game world no one has any idea what classes are. The <em>trappings</em> of some classes are visible. Membership in a Druidic or Knightly Order. Divine Grace. Spell Casting. But even then they don't necessarily mean what you think they mean. </p><p></p><p>A member of the Druid order might be a druid, or a ranger, or a green knight. A professional travelling enchanter might be a wizard, or he might be a fighter with the Ritual Caster feat. A Guy in full plate on Unicorn with the symbol of Kord on his shield might be a Paladin. Might be a tempest Cleric. Might be a fighter with the acolyte background who bought or befriended a Unicorn. Might be a Ranger who picked up Full plate proficiency. If those guys met would they think they were different classes? Or would they just think Kord gave them different gifts?</p><p></p><p>I remember during the leadup to 3e I played in a promo game at a con. The party were all members of the same 'barbarian' tribe. Only one was the Barbarian class. Another was a Fighter, another was a Ranger, I forget the other two classes. Hell, I think I posted on EnWorld about the game at the time. At any rate the point was that this was like a revelation to us at the table. Class <> Fluff. A Barbarian with a temper is a Barbarian. A Barbarian who fights in a disciplined style in a Fighter. A woodsy Barbarian is a Ranger. All Barbarians, all different classes. 15 years and 2.5 editions onwards I'm surprised that some people still are trapped in the old 1e/2e mindset where a class was all you were or could do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Andor, post: 6348053, member: 1879"] Yup. And my solution to this is the same as my solution to the Ranger issue and it's based on the same idea. [I]There's no such things as classes.[/I] I think this is more true for 5e than for any previous edition of D&D, even 3e. Inside the game world no one has any idea what classes are. The [i]trappings[/i] of some classes are visible. Membership in a Druidic or Knightly Order. Divine Grace. Spell Casting. But even then they don't necessarily mean what you think they mean. A member of the Druid order might be a druid, or a ranger, or a green knight. A professional travelling enchanter might be a wizard, or he might be a fighter with the Ritual Caster feat. A Guy in full plate on Unicorn with the symbol of Kord on his shield might be a Paladin. Might be a tempest Cleric. Might be a fighter with the acolyte background who bought or befriended a Unicorn. Might be a Ranger who picked up Full plate proficiency. If those guys met would they think they were different classes? Or would they just think Kord gave them different gifts? I remember during the leadup to 3e I played in a promo game at a con. The party were all members of the same 'barbarian' tribe. Only one was the Barbarian class. Another was a Fighter, another was a Ranger, I forget the other two classes. Hell, I think I posted on EnWorld about the game at the time. At any rate the point was that this was like a revelation to us at the table. Class <> Fluff. A Barbarian with a temper is a Barbarian. A Barbarian who fights in a disciplined style in a Fighter. A woodsy Barbarian is a Ranger. All Barbarians, all different classes. 15 years and 2.5 editions onwards I'm surprised that some people still are trapped in the old 1e/2e mindset where a class was all you were or could do. [/QUOTE]
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